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ewdij
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So you think the new minimum should be based on female combat capability?


Absolutely not. I am not arguing in favor of lowering any standards. I am arguing in favor of giving women (however few it might be) who meet the standards that the men in combat forces are judged by, the chance to serve.






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MrCarton
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Absolutely not. I am not arguing in favor of lowering any standards. I am arguing in favor of giving women (however few it might be) who meet the standards that the men in combat forces are judged by, the chance to serve.



I understand your argument but I also know it is fundamentally flawed. I think it is important to understand that the military is a socialist system. It works best when the median of performance is high. Including barely eligible candidates is sure to lower that median. Make no mistake, women who might meet basic standards will be barely eligible and thus a burden. I personally worked with some of the best of the best females, specially selected to work in direct support of professional combatants. they paled in comparison to the average men I worked with. They were a 100% liability to combat operations with zero exceptions.

The minimum standards usually factor in room for maturity both mentally and physically. Women who might qualify will have a low ceiling for improvement in the physical domain.

Armed forces are not about opportunity and chance, service is a privilege and not a right. Why would it make sense to spend more money and time exploring an avenue with a clearly lower return on investment?

This is of course ignoring the logistical arguments against mixed gender in combat roles.






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TigerintheNO
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In 2001, the Williams sisters played in the U.S. Open Final in primetime, going head to head against the Nebraska-Notre Dame football game, and won the TV ratings battle.


That game wasn't in primetime, it was a day game, but your point is correct. Remember that CBS doesn't televise SEC football the week the US Open is being played.






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ewdij
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I understand your argument but I also know it is fundamentally flawed. I think it is important to understand that the military is a socialist system. It works best when the median of performance is high. Including barely eligible candidates is sure to lower that median. Make no mistake, women who might meet basic standards will be barely eligible and thus a burden. I personally worked with some of the best of the best females, specially selected to work in direct support of professional combatants. they paled in comparison to the average men I worked with. They were a 100% liability to combat operations with zero exceptions. The minimum standards usually factor in room for maturity both mentally and physically. Women who might qualify will have a low ceiling for improvement in the physical domain. Armed forces are not about opportunity and chance, service is a privilege and not a right. Why would it make sense to spend more money and time exploring an avenue with a clearly lower return on investment? This is of course ignoring the logistical arguments against mixed gender in combat roles.


Very valid point which should be debated.

But equating this to professional sports does not serve that purpose.






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MrCarton
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Your right.





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DeltaDoc
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Obviously the OP was tongue in cheek. It was only to point out the physical inferiority of women. Moreover, due to these differences, front line combat will be hampered...but libs can feel like "equality" has been served.

Bill Maher's show last night was hilariously frustrating when this topic came up.

They theoretically moral superiority and intelligence of the left on this subject is truly amazing to me. It's like they are trying to punk everyone. I keep waiting on Ashton Kutcher to come out and say they are just bullshiteting.



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Agree wholeheartedly





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trackfan
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That game wasn't in primetime, it was a day game, but your point is correct. Remember that CBS doesn't televise SEC football the week the US Open is being played.

You don't know what you're talking about. Both the tennis match and the football game started at 7:00 PM C.S.T. And what does Nebraska and Notre Dame have to do with the SEC anyway?






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DeltaDoc
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It's funny to me that even the most staunch liberal or feminist would admit that women are physically inferior on the athletic field, in which virtually no circumstance is life threatening, but those same people will not admit the same on the field of battle.





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Some random thoughts on the subject:

When women play tennis on TV the volume on audio is turned up to create a bigger 'POW' when they hit the ball. It's that big round clear thing off to the side.

When asked if the top women could beat the bottom men professionals Chris Evert said "My brother is not a professional. I never beat him."

Women umps have been tried several times in minor league baseball. They grade out very low on calling balls and strikes. It's a scientific fact that men are better at determining space and speed better than women. This explains women drivers who will wait at the stop sign for a car coming from a mile away.

Women are somewhat interested in college sports like basketball, gymnastics, tennis and soccer. They are not interested in golf. Yet college must field golf teams to keep ratios up to stay in line with Title IX. I asked one athletic director "So, what's the qualifications for you to offer a golf scholarship to a girl?" His answer: "A pulse."






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trackfan
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When asked if the top women could beat the bottom men professionals Chris Evert said "My brother is not a professional. I never beat him."

Did you read my post above quoting Mary Carillo saying essentially the same thing? Carillo also pointed out that teenage girls as young as 14 have competed at the highest level in women's tennis, but in men's tennis, you have to be a fully grown man to compete at the highest level. That tells you all you need to know about the difference in the two sports.
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Women umps have been tried several times in minor league baseball. They grade out very low on calling balls and strikes. It's a scientific fact that men are better at determining space and speed better than women. This explains women drivers who will wait at the stop sign for a car coming from a mile away.

Is this based on your anecdotal experience or scientific experiments?



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Is this based on your anecdotal experience or scientific experiments?

Lecture from LSU AD years ago in grad class. Later looked up the data. It's true. BTW, this has also resulted in the death of one woman.

Air Force has a limit on how many crashes can be made on a simulator in order to try and pass the fighter pilot final exam. No women could pass it.

Pressure from the fems came on. Especially from squinty eyed woman in Congress whose name I can't recall.

So, the AF said "OK, women can crash more than men to pass." They got their female fighter pilot. She immediately crashed and died.






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Tigah in the ATL
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Do the liberal progressives believe that women deserve to play men's professional sports?
Do conservatives believe in making logical arguments? Because you don't seem to.

What is your problem with women in combat, other than it piquing your interest in unrelated topics?






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Tigah in the ATL
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What many feminist types don't want to admit
that's weasel words & you're better than that. I think you're just putting thoughts in people's heads.

Actual feminists have topics that matter, not if women should be able to play in the NFL.






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I know in tennis the reason that the men play five sets and the women only play three in the grand slams is so they can justify paying the men more money. It's the only way they could avoid a fight with the women.

Women are paid the same in tennis, especially in Grand Slams . Pay is equal but the work isn't. Women only play best out of three sets, men play best out of five.






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Swampcat
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Serena and Venus bragged about being able to beat the 200th men's professional player. Not only did Carson smoke cigarettes on court, but it wasn't close.





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trackfan
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Serena and Venus bragged about being able to beat the 200th men's professional player. Not only did Carson smoke cigarettes on court, but it wasn't close.

Actually it was Richard Williams that was yapping and talked his daughters into a massacre, not the daughters, who hadn't even won any Grand Slams at the time.






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