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GynoSandberg 
Clemson Fan
Member since Jan 2006
26617 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 12:14 pm to supe12sta12z)
He didnt really develop those guys. They are compiling more numbers bc they are forced to play a lot of minutes. They all still have the serious faults they always had
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supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
268 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 12:31 pm to GynoSandberg)
I don't buy it. They all looked like trash when they got here even when they received minutes. No fan could have predicted Vasquez breakout season. Jason Smith was so bad he couldn't even stay on the court in the first season. All he was good for was those 6 fouls. Aminu was complete lost on the court last year. He actually looks competent on the court with direction offensively. Even with their deficiencies, they are leap and bounds better because of their development under Williams
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VOR 
New Orleans Saints Fan
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
33108 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 12:46 pm to supe12sta12z)
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Even with their deficiencies, they are leap and bounds better because of their development under Williams
Definitely with those two guys, imo.
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42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
2360 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:00 pm to VOR)
Smith has gotten better each year. Marco got a good job after he was made expendable (in theory). Aminu has improved. Thomas has improved, but he just does not fit well. Vasquez is obvious. Rivers' defense is better, and we'll see what some cornbread does for his size.
How much of this is Monty compared to just players getting better in time and on their own, I don't know.
Henry has done nothing.
Any other duds?
He's not a miracle worker, but he seems to be at least average in this dept. I'd say better, but it'd be hard to argue worse is my point.
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Gtothemoney
New Orleans Saints Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
1232 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:06 pm to hendersonshands)
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You should probably back down from this argument because it's not going to go well.
Tell me about it. He almost has Brees like status. Without the skins on the wall. It's ridiculous. I understand we don't have great talent at every position, but it's mind blowing to me how he gets all this praise. I'm not a hater. I don't pull against him.
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JayJay2 
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
8587 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:10 pm to Gtothemoney)
You sound like a hater to me. It seems any time someone brings up Monty being a good coach you come in and rebuke that  but its all good, everybody needs something.
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supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
268 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:11 pm to Gtothemoney)
That depends on YOUR level of expectations. We are early in a rebuilding process. He's a young coach whose still learning and growing. I know a lot of people expect him to be perfect with every lineup and every rotation. But there's a lot more good to Williams than that.
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danfraz 
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
11147 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:17 pm to htran90)
What is the deal with Louisianaians and coaches????
damn
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Gtothemoney
New Orleans Saints Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
1232 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:23 pm to JayJay2)
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You sound like a hater to me. It seems any time someone brings up Monty being a good coach you come in and rebuke that but its all good, everybody needs something.
Nah brah. Not rebuking anything. No one has given anything to rebuke. Can you tell me why he's considered "a great coach"? I'm not the type like some on here and just like to argue with the statues in the park.
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JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
8587 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:26 pm to Gtothemoney)
Idk either, maybe those people who say it see the potential just like the fans. I see the potential as well.
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Gtothemoney
New Orleans Saints Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
1232 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:27 pm to supe12sta12z)
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That depends on YOUR level of expectations. We are early in a rebuilding process. He's a young coach whose still learning and growing. I know a lot of people expect him to be perfect with every lineup and every rotation. But there's a lot more good to Williams than that.
I totally agree with everything you said. We are young. We are rebuilding. But WHAT makes him a great coach?
Last year we weren't young and rebuilding.
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Gtothemoney
New Orleans Saints Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
1232 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:29 pm to JayJay2)
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Idk either, maybe those people who say it see the potential just like the fans. I see the potential as well.
Potential =/= great.
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tehchampion140
LSU Fan
Bow to the Brow
Member since Sep 2010
15408 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:34 pm to Gtothemoney)
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Can you tell me why he's considered "a great coach"?
The one year he had some actual talent, he helped bring us back to the playoffs and (with a lot of help from CP3) actually made the Lakers series competitive when everyone thought we'd get swept. The year after that, he kept one of the least talented rosters in the NBA competitive in plenty of games where they were overmatched. He's done a very good job so far with this roster with everyone completely healthy, but that much youth and inexperience is hard to overcome for any coach. It's not fair to count it against him that he lost a lot of games with the teams we've had the last 2 years.
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42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
2360 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:36 pm to tehchampion140)
See how he totally ignores the actual data in the thread, then just argues about words that mean different things to different people?
And people call me a disturber of the peace . . .
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JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
8587 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:46 pm to 42)
42 for the kill.
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Gtothemoney
New Orleans Saints Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
1232 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:01 pm to tehchampion140)
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The one year he had some actual talent, he helped bring us back to the playoffs and (with a lot of help from CP3) actually made the Lakers series competitive when everyone thought we'd get swept. The year after that, he kept one of the least talented rosters in the NBA competitive in plenty of games where they were overmatched. He's done a very good job so far with this roster with everyone completely healthy, but that much youth and inexperience is hard to overcome for any coach. It's not fair to count it against him that he lost a lot of games with the teams we've had the last 2 years.
All that you said still does not add up to anyone being a great coach. Sorry.
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tgr4ever 
UTEP Fan
lololololdawdjabdt
Member since Jul 2011
7151 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:04 pm to Gtothemoney)
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All that you said still does not add up to anyone being a great coach. Sorry.
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Eman5805
LSU Fan
West Bank
Member since Nov 2010
2586 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:05 pm to htran90)
Last time he had an experienced, roster with a single elite player we made the playoffs and gave the Lakers a good run for a bit.
But he's got Brian Roberts out there wasting possessions, an oft injured, still gaining his conditioning 2 guard, our starting PG is an overachiever and we're waiting for our future sniper elite rookie to acclimate and get his swole on.
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Gtothemoney
New Orleans Saints Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
1232 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:07 pm to 42)
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See how he totally ignores the actual data in the thread, then just argues about words that mean different things to different people?
Data? What data? Somebody has shown some improvement. That data? That doesn't make you a great coach. Come on.
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42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
2360 posts
| re: when do we start blaming the coaching staff? If we don't improve next year? (Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:18 pm to Gtothemoney)
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Data? What data? Somebody has shown some improvement. That data? That doesn't make you a great coach. Come on.
Did I say it made him great? No. Above average in that department.
The truth is you keep using "great" to mean like he's one of the all-time coaches, while others are using it to mean that he's do a well-above average job (trying to avoid using great to define great here) for this team which has many issues.
Why this kind of discussion is presented, I don't know. It certainly isn't informative since you aren't presented data. It certainly isn't persuasive since you are not making argument just going "No" when someone makes one back. That leaves entertainment.
Yes, that must be your intent.
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