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DeltaDoc 
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| Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:45 pm)
The women to the front lines decision makes me wonder about affirmative action and equal pay in professional sports.
Do the liberal progressives believe that women deserve to play men's professional sports? Are they physically capable of such? Should it be mandated that female sports pay the same as male sports?
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Queen
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:46 pm to DeltaDoc)
They already do. I mean women don't play football, but there's always fights in the other sports.
I know in tennis the reason that the men play five sets and the women only play three in the grand slams is so they can justify paying the men more money. It's the only way they could avoid a fight with the women.
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:48 pm to DeltaDoc)
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Should it be mandated that female sports pay the same as male sports?
Well, to be philosophically consistent the proponents of equal outcomes should be advocating laws to mandate gender equal sports and implement quotas to achieve that goal.
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50Mullets
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:48 pm to DeltaDoc)
Bitches gonna Bitch
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SammyTiger
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:23 am to 50Mullets)
Look at women's basketball.
Baylor wins because they have someone who can dunk semi consistently. Britney Griner would be a small forward or a PF. She would get worked by just about everyone in the NBA. Most college teams too.
If women could play with men they would. they can't
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:46 am to Queen)
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I know in tennis the reason that the men play five sets and the women only play three in the grand slams is so they can justify paying the men more money. It's the only way they could avoid a fight with the women.
The Grand Slams have equal pay.
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trackfan
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:47 am to SammyTiger)
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Baylor wins because they have someone who can dunk semi consistently. Britney Griner would be a small forward or a PF. She would get worked by just about everyone in the NBA. Most college teams too.
Griner would be hard pressed to make a decent high school basketball team.
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TigerFanatic99
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:54 am to trackfan)
This. That GOAT women's UCONN team from a few years back would get trounced by ESPN's 50 top high school boy's teams.
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:57 am to TigerFanatic99)
Women are the reason this country has issues.
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Powerman
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:59 am to DeltaDoc)
What many feminist types don't want to admit is that women just aren't interested in such things so it sort of takes care of itself
Even if women did want to play professional football it would be very rare for any of them to succeed unless it was at a specialty position
I just can't imagine a woman playing left tackle with any sort of success
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townhallsavoy 
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:04 am to Powerman)
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I just can't imagine a woman playing left tackle with any sort of success
"Of course you can't, you chauvinist pig.
Women can do anything men can do and do it just as well. Now, open the door for me, respect my 'time of the month,' and buy me stuff when I'm crying for no reason."
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trackfan
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:15 am to Powerman)
Tennis commentator Mary Carillo once said that there are hundreds of high school boys tennis players that could beat Serena Williams at her peak form, but I agree with Tracy Austin, who said that the physical superiority of male athletes shouldn't have anything to do with how much women should get paid. Austin said that it should be about entertainment value - who's putting people in the stands, who's generating TV ratings and who's bringing in advertising dollars. Based on this metric, women basketball players shouldn't get paid the same as men basketball players, but certainly women tennis players can legitimately claim that they're providing equal enetertainment value to the men, and therefore deserve equal pay. In 2001, the Williams sisters played in the U.S. Open Final in primetime, going head to head against the Nebraska-Notre Dame football game, and won the TV ratings battle.
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ewdij
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:20 am to trackfan)
I find OP's argument to be a straw man's argument.
I support inclusion of women in combat forces as long as they meet the same (high) qualification standards that men have to meet. Hence, when we are talking about women serving in combat operations, we are talking about meeting a lower-threshold.
In professional sports, just being able to meet some lower threshold does not have any value. A player want to be as good as they can be. So obviously, the difference in ability makes professional sports segregated. So I do not see any ground on which the OP's argument can be made.
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lordguill 
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:27 am to townhallsavoy)
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Women can do anything men can do and do it just as well. Now, open the door for me, respect my 'time of the month,' and buy me stuff when I'm crying for no reason."
To be fair, the extremely militant feminists hate being treated, well...like women.
The problem is that 99% of women WANT to be treated in the ways you mentioned. The biggest enemy of feminists are other women. Not men.
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:27 am to DeltaDoc)
What about the NBA?
"We need a NBA that looks more like America."
Should we set racial quotas there? Isn't that just fair?
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trackfan
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:31 am to R2Z2)
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What about the NBA?
"We need a NBA that looks more like America."
Should we set racial quotas there? Isn't that just fair?
What about hockey?
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:38 am to trackfan)
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but certainly women tennis players can legitimately claim that they're providing equal enetertainment value to the men, and therefore deserve equal pay.
how often do women's finals get higher rating than men's finals?
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro)
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how often do women's finals get higher rating than men's finals?
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case for tennis. There aren't any marketable American players on the men's side.
Even people who don't watch tennis know the Williams sisters. You also have hotties like Sharapova who can get people to tune in. That's also why there are female tennis players doing endorsements, but you don't see too many ads (at least in the US) with male tennis players.
Golf is the opposite. A lot of the top LPGA players are South Korean, while the men's side has Phil Mickelson (the chubby Everyman) and (before the scandal and decline in performance) Tiger Woods.
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:48 am to ewdij)
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I support inclusion of women in combat forces as long as they meet the same (high) qualification standards that men have to meet. Hence, when we are talking about women serving in combat operations, we are talking about meeting a lower-threshold
So you think the new minimum should be based on female combat capability?
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Affirmative Action And Professional Sports (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:49 am to Bestbank Tiger)
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There aren't any marketable American players on the men's side.
i'm talking world wide though
tennis is an international sport, and players make money in international tournaments with international sponsors
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