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DonChowder
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But we can't touch entitlements
touching entitlements is fricking with the voter base ...something that no one in DC is willing to do.






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mtntiger
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Yet any liberal worth his salt will tell you that Defense spending is killing this country.

I would love to believe that the Rs in Congress will do something to stem the tide, but, alas, I hold out no hope as no one in a leadership position has either balls or spines.

We are so screwed it is truly terrifying.






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Rohan2Reed
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Yet any liberal worth his salt will tell you that Defense spending is killing this country.


I consider myself slightly to the left of center on most things, but I will say that I am FOR defense spending. It creates jobs, produces opportunities for advancements in technology that benefit many industries and maintains our prominent stature in the world. What I'm not for is unnecessary combat.






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Queen
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And with 60% of 18-29 year old voters having cast their ballot for Obama, we ain't going back anytime soon.





I have no idea why my age bracket thinks this administration will do anything for them.

Unless of course they're the 18-29 year olds who have already popped out a few kids and are on the rolls.






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Rickety Cricket
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Anyone that is 30 or younger shouldn't expect to see a nickel from SS or Medicare.





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Queen
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Also I found the link to the article. This one is not locked for subscribers.

May want to update the OP.

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Politiceaux
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I have no idea why my age bracket thinks this administration will do anything for them.
It's bat shite crazy. We're the ones getting screwed the hardest on long-term unfunded liabilities.






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doubleb
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What makes matters even worse, if you attack the status quo and question all the money spent on entitlements; the opposition and the media try to paint you as a racist.

THIS IS NOT A RACIAL ISSUE. It is a financial issue. Can we afford all this free stuff and can we keep paying more and more to people who often do not deserve it?

In the four year period beginning in 1997(1997-2000) ALL GOVERNMENTS (state, local, federal)spent 12.02 trillion dollars. In the last four year period ALL OF GOVERNMENT spent 24.20 trillion dollars.

That is double. Are the taxpayers seeing any return on their "investment" as Obama calls it? No, we are not; but we sure have a lot of altruistic taxpayers who instead of donating to charity or at church or donating to the Federal Govt. Charity Cesspool.






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Mac
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Anyone that is 30 or younger shouldn't expect to see a nickel from SS or Medicare.




Probably not. I look forward to paying into it for years though.






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Rohan2Reed
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And with 60% of 18-29 year old voters having cast their ballot for Obama, we ain't going back anytime soon.



I'm in this age bracket, and while I'm not an active voter or somebody real interested in politics .. I can speak for myself and most of my friends and acquaintances my age who are so marginalized by the Republican Party's shortcomings, fractions and outdated (IMO) views on social issues.






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UGATiger26
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It's bat shite crazy. We're the ones getting screwed the hardest on long-term unfunded liabilities.


Look over there! A preacher refusing to marry two gay men!






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Queen
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I can speak for myself and most of my friends and acquaintances my age who are so marginalized by the Republican Party's shortcomings, fractions and outdated (IMO) views on social issues.


Things like abortion won't change, it was decided by the supreme court 40 years ago.

Gay marriage is a states issue.

Would you really vote for a president over something he can't change and at the same time give him power to wreck us financially?






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Vlad The Inhaler
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Heard/read last night that SS runs out of trust fund money in 2033.


As of 2011, the SS Trust Fund (think of it as a savings account) begins to pay out more than it takes in in 2022. By 2038, the Trust Fund is exhausted. SS does not end completly, but taxes from wages are going directly to recipiants. Essentially, SS is living pay check to pay check. Obviously that's not sustainable. The 2038 number was from a very comprehensive report from the SSA that comes out every few years. I do know that around 2005 the 2038 date was 2045, so it can be assumed the end is coming sooner.






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dante
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Donchowder...That is what frustrates me more than anything with politics....there are no more public servants. Elected officials are there to serve themselves (both reps and dems). So many votes go down party line regardless of whether the bill is good or not. Both parties are so drunk with power they cannot afford to seem weak and cross the isle to pass something that makes sense. Because by doing so it validates the position of both parties so that neither has an upper hand with upcoming elections.

Entitlement cuts will NEVER be voted on unless the Reps have control, but then they will do nothing about it because they would get slaughtered in the next election.

What is the answer to the problem?






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Vlad The Inhaler
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Would you really vote for a president over something he can't change and at the same time give him power to wreck us financially?


many people did. And because Ann Romney owns a horse.

BTW, did anyone see the CNN piece at inaguration when the interviewed a young black girl who said her Dad flew them in on a private jet? The anchors fawned because it was so "cool" be able to do that. Sickening







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germandawg
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So, what is the answer? It is a given that more and more people are living off the state. Why is this? Is it really logical to assume that there is a movement afoot to keep people dependent on Government? To what end? There isn't a person alive with the mental ability of a house cat who doesn't recognize this isn't sustainable, so what is the agenda? I don't think there is one. I think it is merely a knee-jerk reaction that maintains the status-quo in a changing world environment. We have loads of people who are working for a living who labor in markets that depend on massive military and justice spending in order to pay their bills. We have subsidized the world's manufacturers since the end of the second world war to the point where the only jobs in the US are either in defense, health care or the justice system. Most Americans earn a living by either assisting in providing secure markets for other nations goods, making certain that the life expectancy in the US keeps up with the rest of the world, or "keeping children safe" from drugs and crime. We don't produce anything of substance any longer. If we eliminated the US Navy's motto of "A Global Force for Good" alone we would immediately create millions of manufacturing jobs that would require engineers and tradesmen and salesmen and all sorts of jobs. This simple statement alone, a global force for good, allows Japan and Taiwan and Germany and France to forego substantial investments in national security and instead invest in manufacturing and heavy industry which keeps their citizens employed in high paying jobs that instill a sense of ownership and self worth that we will never arrive at with food stamps. The US Navy being marketed and utilized as a "Global Force for Good" is akin to fumbling at your opponents goal line and having them pick it up and returning it for a TD. It is a 14 point swing in their favor. Every penny we spend on Japanese national security by allowing them the freedom to utilize resources in other areas is a two penny swing in their favor. This is out problem and has been the problem with most empires, the biggest difference is that we do not steal the raw materials from our vanquished foes we set them up as trading partners.





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Rohan2Reed
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Things like abortion won't change, it was decided by the supreme court 40 years ago.


I really don't care whether it changes or not. But I'm not interested in a politician making that issue a focal point of his campaign.

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Gay marriage is a states issue.


I agree with that, but I also agree with the idea that gays are inherently entitled to the same rights as straights as far as marriage is concerned (outside of the church's wishes .. which obviously should not be infringed upon).

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Would you really vote for a president over something he can't change and at the same time give him power to wreck us financially?


Well I don't vote to begin with, especially in national elections. I refuse to take part in a two party system where I'm "obligated by civic duty" to vote for the lesser of two evils.






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Y.A. Tittle
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But I'm not interested in a politician making that issue a focal point of his campaign.


Who are the candidates for office in recent years who have made abortion "a focal point" of their campaigns?






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Queen
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Who are the candidates for office in recent years who have made abortion "a focal point" of their campaigns?


Technically Obama did this year, right? War on Women?






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Rohan2Reed
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Who are the candidates for office in recent years who have made abortion "a focal point" of their campaigns?



Perhaps not their campaigns .. they're too saavy to make that mistake. They attach pro-lifers (i.e. - appeal to their voting base) in a more passive aggressive manner. See: Paul Ryan's sponsorship of the "fetus personhood" bill.






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