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SouthOfSouth
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New Statistic: The Point Guard Rating

The recent successes of LSU's point guard, Anthony Hickey, got me thinking, what makes a great point guard? It is all about assists, turnovers, scoring? Is it about defense? What really makes a great complete point guard? To me it is a little bit of everything. The point guard should be the most dynamic player on the court. He should have vision, presence, and ability.

Missouri's point guard, Phil Pressey, has been heralded as having some of the best vision in the country. LSU's Anthony Hickey leads the entire NCAA in steals, using his defense to spark his teams play. Arkansas' BJ Young scores almost 17 points a game from the point position. Each SEC point guard brings something to the table that sparks their team's success.

As many of you know, I am a statistics junkie. While I appreciate that statistics do not explain everything, I think they give proof to what your eyes see. That's why I have decided to put together what I am calling a Point Guard Rating. The Point Guard Rating takes into account all the things that make the point guard position one of the most important on the court.

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The PG Rate takes the ratio of assists and steals to turnovers. This takes into account what a point guard is all about, distributing the ball. It also takes into account that you are guarding someone who is suppose to do the same thing. Being able to steal the ball from other point guards is as important to a point guard as anything. The second part of the formula was created due to the new school nature of the position. Point guards are now asked to be scoring threats for their team.

The second part of the formula takes points per shot and subtracts the average points per shot in the NCAA. This takes into account the sexy stat of points but making sure it's not due to hogging the shots.

I was pleasantly surprised when I calculated out the PG Rating for each of the 14 point guards in the SEC (only took 1 PG per team). As you can tell, Anthony Hickey leads the conference in this TheHousethatJohnnyBuilt.com statistic.

The PG Rate takes the ratio of assists and steals to turnovers. This takes into account what a point guard is all about, distributing the ball. It also takes into account that you are guarding someone who is suppose to do the same thing. Being able to steal the ball from other point guards is as important to a point guard as anything. The second part of the formula was created due to the new school nature of the position. Point guards are now asked to be scoring threats for their team.

The second part of the formula takes points per shot and subtracts the average points per shot in the NCAA. This takes into account the sexy stat of points but making sure it's not due to hogging the shots.

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Ole Miss' Jarvis Summers is right behind Hickey who really benefits from only 1.1 turnovers per game. His points per shot is also very impressive. I was surprised to see Missouri's Phil Pressey so low, but it is understandable when you see he leads the PG's in turnovers at 3.8 per game. His points per shot is also the 3rd to lowest at only 1.03 PPS. His 7.2 assists per game are impressive, but at the expense of many Missouri possessions with all those turnovers.

Anthony Hickey is 3rd in assists per game, 1st in steals per game and 3rd in turnovers per game. It is a winning combination and LSU hopes it can continue as they make their way into the heart of the SEC schedule.


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bbap
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i guess hickey really is the best PG in the conference. 1 position down. 4 to go.


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SouthOfSouth
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GhostBuster6



I mean, I don't expect it to be scolling on the ESPN Bottom Line or anything, but I think people here would be surprised how good Hickey has been compared to other PG's in the SEC. His assists, steals, and turnover numbers are very solid, and his scoring could be better, but is in line with the other PG's in the conference.


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thunderbird1100
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Wow, Young and Pressey dont look very impressive under this metric


FamousAmos
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Love it. The basketball answer to the QB Rating.


jdrn21
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nice work. The Alabama fan can gtfo.



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SouthOfSouth
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Wow, Young and Pressey dont look very impressive under this metric


While Presseys problem is his turnovers, Youngs may be in the metric itself. He isn't a true PG as much as a scorer and as a purist, I liked the idea of steals and assists meaning more than points. It is much tougher to raise the PPS than it is to raise the Ast+Stl/TO part.

I think Young is an outstanding PG and should be commended, but it is more due to his ability to score rather than his ability to be a good PG.


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FamousAmos
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Mind if I plug this on the SECr?


SouthOfSouth
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Mind if I plug this on the SECr?


Go for it.


Ash Williams
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SuckOfSuck



thats fine and all but what does this have to do with firing les?


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Anthony Hickey is 3rd in assists per game, 1st in steals per game and 3rd in turnovers per game. It is a winning combination and LSU hopes it can continue as they make their way into the heart of the SEC schedule.


fock yes


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SouthOfSouth
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thats fine and all but what does this have to do with firing les?


When Johnny Jones is considered the best coach at LSU, it will be much easier to fire Les Miles...


Ash Williams
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When Johnny Jones is considered the best coach at LSU, it will be much easier to fire Les Miles...



how construction going on the house that he's building?

i saw you started a website for it and everything?

is it gonna be on highland? are we paying him enough for that?


tgr4ever
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Nice work SoS


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tgr4ever
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how construction going on the house that he's building?

i saw you started a website for it and everything?

is it gonna be on highland? are we paying him enough for that?
Why are you such a fag?


Ash Williams
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tgr4ever



well somebody's having a bad day

im just trying to have a talk with my buddy SoS here, no need to get your panties in a wad


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jdrn21
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how construction going on the house that he's building?

i saw you started a website for it and everything?

is it gonna be on highland? are we paying him enough for that?



and people wonder why there are rarely any insightful posters. Whenever a poster brings something constructive to the table, they get blasted by a-holes like this.

If you dont like the post, move along pussy


baytiger
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re: New Statistic: The Point Guard Rating
I think you should probably separate assists and steals:turnovers

maybe three components: assists/possession + ((steals/turnovers)-1) + ((pts/fgatt)-1.22)
that gives you an offensive distributor component, a defensive component, and an offensive scoring component

assist to turnover ratio is important but it just gets muddled when you stick steals in there.

eta: may have to work on weighting the assist/possession component a bit. but this is just off the cuff and it seems like you put more work into this stuff than most people
This post was edited on 1/24 at 2:50 pm


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