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Question for the Recruiting Gurus...



From someone who just follows recruiting from reading message boards, etc. explain briefly, if possible, what criteria is used in determining the Star rating system and why recruiting websites differ sometimes substantially in the ranking of players.

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VermilionTiger
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Offer list, camp production, measurables..etc

Some sites differ because they have different criteria and they spend less time scouting specific areas.






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That's the million dollar question

Sites use different stuff like size speed etc and average out the grade for a rating. Pretty brief non intense explanation.






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offer lists, size, speed, height, highlight videos, combines, all star games, if they are committed to bama or not, just stuff like that.





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teeMike
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camp production, measurables..etc


So these recruiting websites receive information from talent evaluators (scouts) from all these camps and base it from that information?



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Sites have national scouts and also receive input from local scouts

Video is also another way to rate talent






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To begin with, I'm not a recruiting guru. But I can explain. Recruiting services are for-profit businesses. So they have lot's of criteria driving their decisions other than pure evaluation. For example, Louisiana has lots more talent per capita than Michigan does. But if recruiting services were perfectly honest about that, they'd lose Michigan subscribers.

Also, they can't afford a large enough staff to actually evaluate thousands of HS players, so they need to outsource this. And they need to outsource this vast amount of work FOR FREE. Luckily there is a large group of extremely knowledgeable and experienced evaluators doing this already. They are the college coaches. They won't share their evaluations, but you can get them second hand by observing whom they offer. The best players get offers from the best teams (hence the Bama and LSU bias you keep reading about). Why are the rankings of various sites different? Partly different opinions. But let's say you're running Scout and you're concerned about flagging subscriptions in Louisiana. You can create an instant buzz there by bumping an LSU recruit like, say, Frank Herron.

So the short answer is, the profit motive.






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Yeah what he said






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offer lists, size, speed, height, highlight videos, combines, all star games, if they are committed to bama or not, just stuff like that.











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VermilionTiger


Thanks VT and greetings to a fellow Laf resident. Obviously it's not an exact science but I'm thinking most of the 5 and 4 stars deserve the rankings. When you get to the 3's and below, it gets a little tricky. My interest was peaked when Kevin Spears committed to LSU, he was not even ranked. He commits then gets a 4 Star from 2 services. Wasn't sure what to make of that.






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Penrod


Thanks man. Like my brother says..."follow the money trail, you'll get your answers"...






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VermilionTiger
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Maybe the national guys digged up his film after he committed. A little evaluation here and there.. And there you go





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Long story short, the rivals, scout etc all suck. Truly best way to get an idea is to look at the offer sheet a kid has. But even that isn't perfect because some kids don't get offers because they are known locks to a certain school. Just my two cents.





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I think a lot of these scouting services latch on to a kid when they are Soph or Jr, and in Spears' case he didn't play football until this past September. So there was no previous interest in him, but he had a break out year and his film made its way to people. I think LSU started taking a hard look at him in late October/early November.





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what criteria is used in determining the Star rating system and why recruiting websites differ sometimes substantially in the ranking of players.



Basically, it's scouts and their opinions. Some scouts like certain players more than others. Like someone said earlier, offer lists are a good measure usually.


For a more detailed explination...


Per Rivals:
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The ranking system ranks prospects on a numerical scale from 6.1-4.9.



6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about


Per Scout:

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Scout works from the grass roots and then reports up. We have a Team of Scouts around the country including local scouts that work smaller areas that submit their rankings to a regional manager. The regional manager will compile the rankings from the local scouts in his area then submit his compiled list to the National Editors. A final conference call between the regional managers and the national editors results in a compiled list of national rankings.



Per ESPN:
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Rare prospects: 100-90
These players demonstrate rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. These players have all the skills to take over a game and could make a possible impact as true freshmen. They should also push for All-America honors with the potential to have a three-and-out college career with early entry into the NFL draft.

Outstanding prospects: 89-80
These players have the ability to create mismatches versus most opponents and have dominant performances. These players could contribute as a true freshmen and could end up as all-conference or All-America candidates during their college careers and develop into difference-makers over time.

Good prospects: 79-70
These players show flashes of dominance, but not on a consistent basis -- especially when matched up against the top players in the country. Players closer to a 79 rating possess BCS-caliber ability and the potential to be a quality starter or all-conference player. Players closer to a 70 rating are likely non-BCS conference caliber prospects.

Solid prospects: 69-60
These players are overmatched versus the better players in the nation. Their weaknesses will be exposed against top competition, but have the ability to develop into solid contributors at the non-BCS FBS level and could be a quality fit for the FCS level of play.

Prospects: 59-50
Players have some redeeming qualities but are not projected to contribute at the FBS or FCS levels.

Prospects: Not ranked or NR
Evaluations are pending film evaluation. These players will have a grade of "NR" and that means we have not had a chance to fully evaluate the prospect.


Per 247
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247Sports has one of the industry’s largest and most recognized national recruiting staffs. Our network of recruiting experts, littered with the “best of the best” from news outlets like Rivals, ESPN and Scout, allows us to combine breaking recruiting news and unbiased player and team rankings with our searchable player database, commitment lists and video highlights of top prospects. 247Sports is home to the industry-generated 247Composite. The 247Composite rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index. The 247Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports' Team Recruiting Rankings.



247Sports Rating Explanation
Each recruit we evaluate is assigned a numerical rating as well as a star rating. Ratings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation, and input from our network of scouts.

Players are first grouped qualitatively with a star rating, then given a numerical rating based on their future potential, and finally ranked according to these numerical ratings.

110 - 101 = Franchise Player. One of the best players to come along in years, if not decades. Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has "can’t miss" talent.

100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation. This player has excellent pro-potential and should emerge as one of the best in the country before the end of his career.

97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation. This prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. He is an All-American candidate who displays pro-potential.

89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country.

79 - below = Two-star prospect. This player makes up the bulk of Division I rosters. He may have little pro-potential, but is likely to become a role player for his respective school.


247Composite Rating
The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.

The 247Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.














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re: Question for the Recruiting Gurus...


Likelihood of signing with Bama





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re: Question for the Recruiting Gurus...


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if they are committed to bama or no


You know, I see this posted everyday, and I'm not sure I've laughed as hard as it before as I just did. I guess because of how subtle it was. Nice work.






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Its not an exact science and very difficult to evaluate talent its a gift. NFL GM's will have some players ranked in the top 10 on their big board while another team may have the same player in 30-40 range. A good example recently was New England had Ridley and Ingram rated exactly the same and NE passed on Ingram's 1st round salary and picked up an equivalent for alot less money in their eyes. Obviously the Saints didnt share that opinion. Also, biases and incompetence is an issue as well on the recruiting services


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what criteria is used in determining the Star rating system


To be a five star you must have an offer from Bama or USC...






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