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BaddestAndvari
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first the birmingham post.. now this shite..?

Hey fear, stop trolling us


Fox Mulder
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a huge red bowtie on top.



I hate when this happens


BaddestAndvari
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There was zero closure in the x files. Carter never really wrote beyond individual seasons and had no plans to end it.

However, 75% of x files is individual episodes. I' never watched the x files for the alien arch. If you get through it on DVD then I understand your disappointment, but week to week there wasn't a better show on television for 4 years. Plus they had to write around duchovny leavin the show and that made the overall story get even crazier and didn't allow time for then to properly close out the Samantha mystery.


Just because it was on TV during a fairly slow time in TV history doesn't automatically promote the show either.

X-Files was a good show, it's actually the reason I love sci fi to this day.. it also taught me to get pissed at storytelling that didn't conclude or make sense.

The x-files is also a product of it's own undoing, because it was on American TV, it probably went 3-4 more seasons than it should have, kinda like how LOST went a few to many seasons as well, if it sells - they sell it, even if they run out of material.


BaddestAndvari
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I hate when this happens


Why? American TV is the only place you see such open ended stories.. simply because they outlive their own girth and end up being cut short.

I prefer a show to tie up it's loose ends, why would you want every question never resolved? We don't accept it in any other form of fiction, why do we put up with it in American TV?


Fox Mulder
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I would like to point out that closure is a big deal to me.. if you can't finish your story correctly, then you automatically lose a bunch of points in my book.


The alien story was one story among hundreds. I never watched it just to find out about samantha and the alien conspiracy. X files isn't like lost or other shows. While you're invested in the alien conspiracy being uncovered (and it is during the movie) it's not central to enjoying the show

The only thing not resolved was Samantha. The alien conspiracy is fully uncovered in the movie and anything after that was carter tacking on new elements. The overall story should have taken a drastically different direction but carter just beat it to death.

And frick him for making scully a believer only after fox leaves and then making her a skeptic all over again in the new movie

/rant

I need 20 pages to fully explain the greatness and the shortcomings of the x files
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Fox Mulder
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I prefer a show to tie up it's loose ends, why would you want every question never resolved?


Not so much the answering of questions, just wrapping it up smoothly. You can answer questions and leave the viewer with a couple more or maybe in wonder of what will become of the characters after the show. I'm at a dog park so I need to pay more attention.


Fox Mulder
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The last episode of the x files should have been

1. Samantha mystery explained. Mulder gets real closure. Not that weird spirit crap they did earlier.

1a. (Optional) Mulder learns the date of the alien invasion

2. Scully gives a monologue while typing on her computer where she recollects how much she has seen and how much she has changed, and the last line should be her saying/typing "the truth is out there"
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BaddestAndvari
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I would also say that the alien conspiracy, while it did have a good "wrap-up" because they have never gone back to it.. we can pretty much just assume they went away, and never found anything, and ended up the only human survivors after the invasion..

Fringe wraps things up, but there are definitely still a question or 2 that allow for discussion


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It also was more government conpiracy than scifi



Other way around.


In my mind the X-Files ended after the first movie. Especially early on the question natural vs. supernatural or terrestrial vs. extra terrestrial was often left up to the viewers imagination.


LSULEFTY
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Fringe was way better, even though the Peacock family episode was amazing.


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Fox Mulder
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The finale was awful. The only aspect I liked of it was that mulder uncovers the date.

But he is left in a fricking cave cowering. Could've closed with him finding out (while having a entirely different episode that was aired ) the date and we last see he and scully, now a believer, resolved to "fight the future"

See that's closure and not wrapping it up in a bow. How bad would it suck to see a mulder who no longer has purpose? What is he going to do now? That sucks.


gjackx
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The finale was awful.

Definitely not the case with Fringe.


Fox Mulder
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That's true as far as waiting years to know the extent and nature of the "project" the rest of the series should've been mulder "fighting the future" the title signifies a switch in the series while continuing monster of the week episodes


Basically, most endings were better than the one we got

frick seasons 7-9


BaddestAndvari
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The finale was awful. The only aspect I liked of it was that mulder uncovers the date.

But he is left in a fricking cave cowering. Could've closed with him finding out (while having a entirely different episode that was aired ) the date and we last see he and scully, now a believer, resolved to "fight the future"

See that's closure and not wrapping it up in a bow. How bad would it suck to see a mulder who no longer has purpose? What is he going to do now? That sucks.


take some time and go finish up Fringe, it's really well done, you wont be disappointed.

Fringe did something I have wanted every American TV show to do since I started watching TV in the 90s.. they started the show with the ending already written.


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Fox Mulder
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Doesn't make it better. X files is not solely predicated on the alien conspiracy story. Finale sucks but seasons 1-6 is television greatness.


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BaddestAndvari
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Basically, most endings were better than the one we got

frick seasons 7-9


You are under-appreciating what this means to some people.. I can vouch for myself, if you screw up a story in the end, you have severely skewed how I feel about said story even before the screw up. Then again I see a story as a complete arc as well.. so there IS that.

ETA: I even see sitcoms that don't relate to each other as a story element as a whole.. If tomorrow Community were to suck, and keep going for 2-3 years, it would ruin the way I view community from that day on. It's a complete body of work
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Fox Mulder
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But really the story ended in the movie

We learn the details and scope of the conspiracy. Then they just added shite on after that. There should've been a fundamental shift b/w seasons 5&6 regarding the secret government and the alien conspiracy. So really you get all the answers you need save for what happened to Samantha (they do give us an answer and it sucks)

It should've been mulder stopping and exposing the conspiracy from season 6 to close with maybe some new wrinkles added along the way.

In summation. They did end the story, we just kept watching.
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BaddestAndvari
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But really the story ended in the movie

We learn the details and scope of the conspiracy. Then they just added shite on after that. There should've been a fundamental shift b/w seasons 5&6 regarding the secret government and the alien conspiracy. So really it d


Bolded is why I view Fringe in a higher regard..
Fringe did this, they are actually one of the first shows I have ever watched that did this, in season 5, they couldn't be what they had been in season 1-4, so they "changed" completely, in order to finish the story.. and in the end we got some incredible story telling.

X-files could never do it, and they didn't.. so that puts them in a slightly lower tier in my head.


Fox Mulder
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Any aspect of the story that wasn't resolved doesn't matter because it was introduced (slapped on) after season 6. The story we all cared about was in seasons 1-5.


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Fox Mulder
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Fringe didnt lose its star. X files did. And it was kind of sprung on them


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