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Willie Stroker
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re: Issue with Sandy Hook


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I like to ask questions and focus on things that are known, keep it out of the leap of faith realm.


Except for the time you concluded there was a second shooter in the Aurora theater shootings simply because witnesses remarks to TV news cameras was predictably inconsistent (shocking) and a second gas mask was found?






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mograyback
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re: Issue with Sandy Hook


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Except for the time you concluded there was a second shooter in the Aurora theater shootings simply because witnesses remarks to TV news cameras was predictably inconsistent (shocking) and a second gas mask was found?


Have I concluded it? Really?

Or have I said there is evidence of things that go against the official story?

(Also, there is quite a bit more than those two things you mentioned regarding the CO shooting).









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Willie Stroker
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Have I concluded it? Really?

Or have I said there is evidence of things that go against the official story?


Perhaps I'm thinking of someone else on definitive statements about a 2nd shooter. But I'm pretty sure you concluded there was an accomplice and did say that it is a fact that a man who was not the shooter propped open the theater door as the movie started.

Without better evidence to take that leap of faith, you took it.






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notiger1997
Member since May 2009
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He also was pushing the BS about both dads being involved in the LIBOR court trials, etc.





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CajunTiger34
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Can anyone explain batman movie map connection? Surely this is not a coincidence. All you conspiracy debunkers.... Do tell me. Of all the places that could have been on that map. It just happen the only word you can make out is sandy hook?


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mograyback
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re: Issue with Sandy Hook


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He also was pushing the BS about both dads being involved in the LIBOR court trials, etc.


Really?

Because I was one telling the people posting the story about both dads being involved in Libor to back off of that because we didn't know for sure if Lanza's dad was to testify.








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nobodytooimportant
Member since Oct 2012
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You still concluded without a doubt a second person opened the movie theater door in Colorado. Unless you have been keeping back evidence, your sole piece of evidence for that is some interviews Corbin Dates gave.

HE said he saw a man with a goatee answer a phone, go the emergency exit, make some gestures, and propped it open.

One in his booking photo Holmes was unshaven and the goatee part was more prominent, thus making it easy for someone in a darken movie theater to conclude he had a goatee.

Two, Dates left the theater before the movie started while this man was still standing by the door on the phone. Dates did not return until the movie began. He has no way of knowing what this man did next, did he go back to his seat or did he leave the theater.

Not really much proof the man by the door was not Holmes.

This is the type of proof Mograyback uses for his theories.






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Willie Stroker
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Gotham is based on New York City, right?

Google Sandy Hook and New York and you'll see several Sandy Hook identifiers in and around the city. It would be like having a villain who lives on Elm St in a movie and then a crime occurs IRL where a villain.....[shudders], [gasp].... lives on Elm St.






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R2Z2
Member since Dec 2012
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Re Salon. Many reactions are possible.

Every studied acting? The video shows a guy using acting techniques to "get into character" when he approaches the press.

The glass was intact for the front door. That where he got in?

Lanza was 120 and six feet tall. He had how many magazines? Two or four pistols? How much did that weigh?
50 pounds? 100?

There were cameras at the school. There was a lockdown system that locked down all doors.

Nothing wrong with us expecting information. This event is being used to change the laws of this country. THEY made it political so it's only logical to ask who benefitted from Sandy Hook.






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Willie Stroker
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R2Z2


So you're going to jump right into this thread by regurgitating some of the same drivel that has already been posted and debunked? If you'd like to participate, read to see what's been covered, then fill in the gaps or refute arguments not being addressed.

But unlike mograyback, I'm not going to simply tell you that there's already been a 30 page thread about it and that I will not do your homework for you.


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Every studied acting? The video shows a guy using acting techniques to "get into character" when he approaches the press.


Ever studied human emotion? We could easily and in my opinion more plausibly say the video shows a guy who was previously trying to get composed for a press conference by letting his mind experience a happier emotion, suddenly stands in front of a microphone with a throng of reporters and feels emotions returning. Rather than burst into tears, he takes a few deep breaths (as we're all told to do when coached to calm down (this is NOT a secret technique limited to actors ) and suddenly finds his mind is back on to the tragedy, showing a corresponding emotion.

If "Truther cult" versions are true, why get into character in front of everyone when he's already "on-stage"? Wouldn't a paid actor show up to the town in character?

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The glass was intact for the front door. That where he got in?

What glass was intact? At the press conference where Robbie Parker spoke? Were you under the impression that conference was being held in front of the school where Lanza entered?

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Lanza was 120 and six feet tall. He had how many magazines? Two or four pistols? How much did that weigh?
50 pounds? 100?

A Glock handgun is about 1.5 pounds. A Sig is about 1.8. Fully loaded, one handgun can be about 2.5 pounds, depending on capacity. A Bushmaster is just under 6 pounds. A loaded 30 round magazine can be about a pound per mag.


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There were cameras at the school. There was a lockdown system that locked down all doors.

Are you expecting footage of the shooting to be released? If there is footage, perhaps it will be. Considering that Lanza allegedly broke the glass to enter, I'm not under the impression the doors were unlocked.

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Nothing wrong with us expecting information. This event is being used to change the laws of this country. THEY made it political so it's only logical to ask who benefitted from Sandy Hook.

Agreed. But Google is your friend. There's no shortage of perfectly reasonable explanations that are much more plausible than more sinister speculations that would be much more difficult to orchestrate than the more reasonable explanations. The event is being used. That is why the phrase "never let a tragedy go to waste" is in the public domain. Just because politicians are opportunists, does not mean they orchestrate real world events with great precision.






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SidewalkDawg
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Count me in the non-conspiracy group.

I understand that there are some questions that aren't answered, and will probably never be answered. But remember, no one owes you answers to anything because you didn't lose a child.

Do people really think the government has to manufacture these things? Seems to me the easiest thing would be to just wait it out, it's bound to happen on its own and we can take advantage of it when it does.

edit: not directed at willie, just used you to do a quick reply.



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BoulderDawg34
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the first is silly because what reason does anyone have to cover up multiple gunmen, it doesn't change anyone.



Remember the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin? Well here is an EYEWITNESS who says that there were four shooters, but the "official" story was that it was one, Neo-Nazi shooter who just happened to work in Army Intelligence when he was active duty. And then there is the Aurora shootings where witnesses described gas cannisters coming from two different directions.

Sikh temple shooting


aurora shooting






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notiger1997
Member since May 2009
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Please. Please dear baby jesus make it stop.





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nobodytooimportant
Member since Oct 2012
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. And then there is the Aurora shootings where witnesses described gas cannisters coming from two different directions.



Frankly, I don't find this witness to be that great. To be clear I don't think he is lying, I just don't think he is accurate.

At the start of the interview, the first guy said he was watching the movie, then saw a guy come in the theater from the front in a trench coat, then he saw something thrown from the back and then something thrown from the front. IF his focus was on the movie and the guy in the front, why would he turn to look behind him to see something thrown before the guy in the front did anything?
My theory on this is the Holmes threw the first canister over these guys heads, and the first they noticed it is when it exploded behind them. Granted this is just a theory and I wouldn't say is definite.

Notice the other guy didn't say he saw anything behind him and described the first thing thrown as coming from the front not from behind as his friend did and he never even mentioned a second canister. Further the first guy at 1:49 mark reverses the order and says the first thing came from the front. So already we know the story is a bit inconsistent. Again this isn't that surprising or unusual, but if I am basing everything on this on interview I'd be worried.

If you can do what Mograyback claimed he could but so far has not been able to, and find additional accounts that say the same thing I would be interested. If it is only these two guys, who function almost like one witness since they obviously talked things over with each other, I would be more inclined to believe, that like many witnesses in stressful situations, they are just not that reliable.






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BoulderDawg34
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This is not a witness video, but it has some interesting information.

LINK

This is a witness video, however he doesn't see two shooters, but he does see Holmes open the exit door and gesture to someone, or that's what he thinks he saw.

LINK


Also, I noticed you didn't say anything about the Sikh temple shooting. Here's another eyewitness video about that incident.

LINK



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mograyback
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re: Issue with Sandy Hook


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At the start of the interview, the first guy said he was watching the movie, then saw a guy come in the theater from the front in a trench coat, then he saw something thrown from the back and then something thrown from the front.


Which interview about canisters talks about a guy walking in wearing a trench coat?

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My theory


Ahh, so you're making theories now. Good for you.

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Frankly, I don't find this witness to be that great. To be clear I don't think he is lying, I just don't think he is accurate


Yeah.. it's reasonable to not take the word of someone who was in the actual theater when the event happened. I'm sure your theory is more accurate.






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nobodytooimportant
Member since Oct 2012
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re: Issue with Sandy Hook


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Yeah.. it's reasonable to not take the word of someone who was in the actual theater when the event happened. I'm sure your theory is more accurate.


I didn't say my theory is more accurate, but it is perfectly reasonable not to base an entire conspiracy theory around one witness. That is your problem you seem to believe everything witnesses say, even one that is contradictory within a single interview. Reasonable people understand that witnesses are not that accurate, that is why you look for multiple people with confirmation. Where are your 5 sources you promised me?






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mograyback
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I didn't say my theory is more accurate, but it is perfectly reasonable not to base an entire conspiracy theory around one witness.


Which is why I base my entire 'theory' around one witness

And you seem to be the one creating theories.. btw.




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