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So, Romney made a mistake. Do you see how that's different than "lie of the year"?


no. i dont really think the campaign didnt know what they were doing.

and if they really thought it meant that jeep was literally planning on moving every single production plant all over the world into China, then romney's staff was filled with retards.






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then romney's staff was filled with retards.



Honestly based on some of the other decisions that they made, this isn't entirely impossible.






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Romney knew the truth
Were all the other outlets that repeated the Bloomberg claim liars, too? If so, Politifact should credit Bloomberg News with "lie of the year" -- not Romney.






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romney's staff was filled with retards
No argument here. Such a "slick businessman" should have had the knack to be suspicious about such a claim. But, again, being wrong or even retarded doesn't make one a liar.






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Were all the other outlets that repeated the Bloomberg claim liars, too?


link? let me guess, fox news?

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If so, Politifact should credit Bloomberg News with "lie of the year" -- not Romney.


cant you just admit that mitt got caught playing politics and it killed his chances in ohio? stop the madness and let it go.






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fox news?
No. One of the articles I linked earlier was to a car forum, not a political outfit at all.
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playing politics
This happens on a daily basis. What made "playing politics" during a presidential election worthy of "lie of the year" status, when there is a legitimate argument that his claim of "saw a story" wasn't a lie at all?

Can you just admit that the "fact checkers" were "playing politics"? Stop the madness and let it go.






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One of the articles I linked earlier was to a car forum,


not exactly a credible news source there.

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What made "playing politics" during a presidential election worthy of "lie of the year" status, when there is a legitimate argument that his claim of "saw a story" wasn't a lie at all?



because the "saw a story" claim is just too lame to actually be true, and the jeep ad was one of the bigger controversies late in the campaign that effected a battleground state.






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not exactly a credible news source there.
No shite. It just shows that Romney made an amateur mistake, like some obscure car forum would do. Maybe he saw the article when he was elevator shopping?
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too lame to actually be true


Outsourcing jobs to China is a freaking cause celebre for the American left, but Romney believing such a possibility is "too lame to be true"?

Sorry, I feel like we're getting off track and delving into technicalities.

Show me proof that Romney "knew" the Bloomberg claim was erroneous but advanced it anyway. Then you can prove that he lied. He may have. But, Politifact's quote falls short of that measure. That's all I'm saying.






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Outsourcing jobs to China is a freaking cause celebre for the American left, but Romney believing such a possibility is "too lame to be true"?


the idea that Chrysler would stop making Jeeps in america is unbelievable. it would destroy their company. common sense says that the romney claim stunk.


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Show me proof that Romney "knew" the Bloomberg claim was erroneous but advanced it anyway.


i guess it doesnt really matter. ill give him the benefit of the doubt for having a staff that actually reads, and then proceeds with information to generate political effect. in this case it backfired greatly.

you can believe his staff was amateur enough to read the first paragraph of an article, and then spent X amount of dollars creating a commercial and buying air time for it, to be blitzed all over a key battleground state, without reading the other few paragraphs to understand what the article was about.

obviously, i cant know what was going on behind the scenes, so theres no way to know how sinister they got with it. either way, ol mitt looked real bad.






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ol mitt looked real bad.
Yep. It was devastating, no doubt. Was it a lie is the question.
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you can believe his staff was amateur enough to read the first paragraph of an article, and then spent X amount of dollars creating a commercial and buying air time for it, to be blitzed all over a key battleground state, without reading the other few paragraphs to understand what the article was about
I can believe that just as much as I can believe that a prodigious incumbent with tight polling would botch his first debate so badly that the media would invent such excuses as "not used to being challenged," "not a good debater" and "screwed by Jim Lehrer."

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Was it a lie is the question.


one i feel thats been pretty well covered by many people on this thread, but you can continue to believe what you want. i think the evidence is pretty overwhelming the romney campaign skewed the truth to fearmonger.

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I can believe that just as much as I can believe that a prodigious incumbent with tight polling would botch his first debate so badly that the media would invent such excuses as "not used to being challenged," "not a good debater" and "screwed by Jim Lehrer."


not really sure where this came from, but im glad the subject is changed.

ive always had a theory that Obama threw the debate. In chicago, when you first walked into his office, he had a huge Ali poster hanging on the wall. Im not sold on this idea, but clearly obama was capable of debating Mitt, as the rest showed. by getting steamrolled in the first debate, the story suddenly became how much better obama had performed since. rope-a-dope at it's finest.








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ive always had a theory that Obama threw the debate. In chicago, when you first walked into his office, he had a huge Ali poster hanging on the wall.


I believe he was trying to rope a dope, but not that he threw it. What did he gain by throwing a debate, especially then? All he did was make an election that a good debate performances then could have ended, and made it close. I don't see how that helps him.

His strategy was to stay away so that Romney couldn't score any points. HE did a bad job of that and that is why he switched strategies for the next debates.

I firmly believe if he would have delivered the second performance at that first debate it would have been game over.






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All he did was make an election that a good debate performances then could have ended, and made it close. I don't see how that helps him.


im pretty sure the polling was pretty tight going into the first debate, maybe even Mitt up a point in some.

i dont think winning the first debate gets anyone that much but a week or two of momentum. by ensuring the news cycle would be focused on a "return to form obama," the campaign already had a positive news spin in place for the final push.

honestly, the debates are so watered down i dont think they make much difference either way most of the time, outside of what the media reports about them.







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I can't pull up fivethirtyeight right now, but I am pretty sure right before the first debate obama had his largest lead of the entire election in the polls. Even Gallup and Rasmussen had him ahead at that point.

I agree with you about the debates for people who follow politics, but for the 75% of the country that doesn't, the most important thing to come out of them is the media reports.






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Obama threw the debate
Interesting thought. Seems a risky strategy for a guy polling near the point of no return. But, he won, so I guess he gets credit for adopting the right tact, no matter how far fetched.
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the story suddenly became how much better obama had performed
Yeah, who could've imagined "the story" would spin to Obama's favor? /sarc

Perhaps you should evaluate your propensity to buy "the story"?






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Yeah, who could've imagined "the story" would spin to Obama's


Mitt lost and lied about jeep.






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and lied about jeep
Riiiiiight.

So Jeep is not actually going to manufacture Jeeps in China,
and Candy Crowley was correct in calling Romney out on BenGhazi in the debate,
and Joe Wilson lied when he said "you lie",
and Obama is actually a conservative democrat,
and an assault weapon ban will save the children,
and this second term will generate happiness and unicorns in the end.






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Show me proof that Romney "knew" the Bloomberg claim was erroneous but advanced it anyway. Then you can prove that he lied. He may have. But, Politifact's quote falls short of that measure. That's all I'm saying.


The Bloomberg claim was not erroneous. Romney twisted it like he does everything. Bloomberg said Jeep would be opening a factory in China. Everyone knew this. The lie was when Romney said Jeep was moving all production of Jeeps to China. Jeep repeatedly said this was not true and Romney never took it back. Instead he cut a commercial which fell short of repeating his lie but it implied it. Politifact says this but clearly you and NC refuse to read.

It would be like me saying in a speech "NC Tiger murders his patients." Then cutting a commercial that's says "NC Tiger has had patients die."

The lie was Romney's entire attack that we bailed out Jeep only for them to pack up and move to china taking American jobs. And the irony is Romney did this with his own companies. Ohio people finally realized Romney will say anything to anyone to be president.

For gay rights / against gay rights
For gun control/ against gun control
Opposed to coal / support coal
For mandatory healthcare coverage / against it
There literally is not one issue where he hasn't reversed course. He really was the etch a sketch candidate. And every Republican knew it and most Republicans didn't like him or want him. Yet just like usual the Republicans nominated a former loser. Bush was the only one not a former loser but his dad was.

And now you guys defend him.



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The Bloomberg claim was not erroneous
Bloomberg claimed that Mike Manley, COO of Fiat/Chrysler-Asia said, Fiat was in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co., about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market. He said "The volume opportunity for us is very significant. We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity, as well as should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now whether that was ""erroneous"" is open to interpretation.

However Bloomberg chose to edit it's story after publication, adding the line "Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia, was referring to "adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.""

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A line was added to the Bloomberg story after it was published stating that Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia, was referring to "adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China." The Romney campaign told The Huffington Post on Tuesday that the update was after Romney made his remark on Thursday.

Huffington Post


The Washington Examiner was among the media that picked up on the Bloomberg report prior to Romney's statement. The Examiner said, “In another potential blow for the President’s Ohio re-election campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China.” “Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama’s auto bailout assured them.”



Irony:
The Obama campaign slammed Romney on the issue of the auto bailout for months in the Rust Belt, insisting that Romney said "let Detroit go bankrupt." The phrase comes from the headline of a 2008 op-ed Romney wrote in the New York Times - however Romney didn't use those words in his article, nor did he actually write the headline. It is exquisitely ironic that (1) Obama did let GM go bankrupt, and (2) that those here accusing Romney of "lying" when he accurately quoted sources, defend Obama's lies when he repeatedly inaccurately quoted sources on a similar topic.






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Listen dude Rex is the CFO AND VP of IT at a MAJOR company think he has time for that shit??



Yeah, that makes him able to spew crap without links...its the ole "CFO/VP/too busy to link facts" excuse







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