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I played with my sister's barbies when I was little. Didn't turn me into a gay liberal though (not that there's anything wrong with that). Hell, I took their clothes off and made them do naughty things to each other. Ken raped the shite out them.



If your old enough to remember when GI Joe first came out he was the same size as Barbie and Ken. My Gi Joe would whip Ken's arse on a regular basis and Barbie was all about getting her some serious man stuff....with poor metro-sexual ken sitting in the corner waiting for Joe to ask for more beer or another cigar....






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Kash, do you believe that gender roles are biological or societal?
both.

Societal roles affected the biology of males and females through natural selection, ultimately sculpting physiology to match roles more perfectly.






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both.

Societal roles affected the biology of males and females through natural selection, ultimately sculpting physiology to match roles more perfectly.


Relevant in a hunter gatherer setting, not a children's toys setting. Do you think that boys have a biological aversion to cooking, or the color pink? Girls have an aversion to playing with toy dragons? I certainly don't.



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Mike da Tigah
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Ken was a pussy. My GI Joe and Action Jackson would beat the shite out of his namby pamby arse and take Barbie to boot, not to mention if the Six Million Dollar man shows up.





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Iona Fan Man
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Kash, do you believe that gender roles are biological or societal?


I have to say that I am more on board with biological...but I do believe that societal aspects have their influence. No real proof either way, but I do not believe the child has any influence in what he/she will become.






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Mike da Tigah
gotta make sure no gay from this thread gets on you?






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I have to say that I am more on board with biological...but I do believe that societal aspects have their influence.


I couldn't disagree more, frankly. There is ample evidence that current gender roles were placed upon us out of necessity during times of hardship. Biologically speaking, women are far more important than men when it comes to maintaining population numbers. If you have 100 women and one man, you can pop out 100 babies every year. With one woman and 100 men, you can pop out one. As such, men filled the "dangerous" roles of fighting, hunting, gathering, etc. The fact of the matter is that reproductive pressures have all but been removed from the equation. As such, gender roles are obsolete. Does that mean that I look down on people who fill standard gender roles? Of course not. In fact, I fill the standard male gender role about as closely as it comes.

I simply see no reason to look down on men who enjoy cooking, women who enjoy working on car engines, or any of the countless individuals who want to fill the "wrong" gender role.






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Mike da Tigah
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gotta make sure no gay from this thread gets on you?


It won't. I played with Tonka Trucks. Playing with Barbies "Guy Friend" was never on my priority list.



BTW... For all you guys that wonder where that "Let's just be Friends" BS came from, you can blame it all on Ken.





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Iona Fan Man
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I simply see no reason to look down on men who enjoy cooking, women who enjoy working on car engines, or any of the countless individuals who want to fill the "wrong" gender role.



I don't think it's natural, and by that I mean, I think it's exposure either prenatally or during their development that made them the way that the are "naturally"

Mama drinking and smoking hooch while pregnant, can change what is normal "biologically"


example, many girls who are sexually molested at a young age, end up being promiscuous, have problems with substance abuse, and other negative things that people "judge them for"

Is it her right as a 21 year old to get gang banged by 10 dudes? Should people judge her for that, or is it none of their business, she's just a consenting adult?

We believe that the child molestation had a major influence in how she behaved later in life....but should she really be allowed to make those choices since she's not in her "natural mind" and is just a semi-functional crazy person now?

The same goes for kids/people who gravitate toward "unnatural" things....was it something that happened to them that made them the way that they are.....I believe so....another Example: Puppies

Dogs form their personalities in the first 8 weeks of their life. after that point in time, the dog won't change it's base personality. The dominant puppy remains the dominant..the runt will always be more skiddish. Is this biological? I guess yes, but what if the runt was put with other runts, shortly after birth.....would none of the runts become the dominant?


Are there any bullies at space camp, if I took that bully and put him in football camp....would he still be the bully?



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Six Million Dollar man shows up.

Steve Austin owned them all but he was too busy with the Bionic Woman to give Barbie the time of day.






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I guess I'm the only one who noticed the price they have on those toys is not far from triple their cost here.

The exchange rate data I had is about 6.5 krona per dollar.






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Scary pistol grip assault Nerf gun needs to be banned.





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Mike da Tigah
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I simply see no reason to look down on men who enjoy cooking, women who enjoy working on car engines, or any of the countless individuals who want to fill the "wrong" gender role.



The culinary world is a heavily male dominated industry.







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People are actually angry over these ads?





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Relevant in a hunter gatherer setting, not a children's toys setting.
You say this, but then in your next post you argue on the premise of the basic hunter-gatherer role.

Many gender roles are societal, but many are biological.

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Do you think that boys have a biological aversion to cooking
Chefs are male by a huge margin. The reason women traditionally do the cooking and cleaning, is because they are at home when the man is at work.

Here you go: Hormonal manipulation alters sex-steroetyped behaviors, proving that many such behaviors are not a result of socialization.

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Biology appears to play a role. Several animal studies have shown that hormonal manipulation can reverse sex-typed behavior. When researchers exposed female rhesus monkeys to male hormones prenatally, these females later displayed male-like levels of rough-and-tumble play. Similar results are found in human beings. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) is a genetic condition that results when the female fetus is subjected to unusually large quantities of male hormones—adrenal androgens. Girls with CAH tend to prefer trucks, cars, and construction sets over dolls and play tea sets. As psychologist Doreen Kimura reported in Scientific American, "These findings suggest that these preferences were actually altered in some way by the early hormonal environment." They also cast doubt on the view that gender-specif
ic play is primarily shaped by socialization.






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yeah, he does have a rapist's wit.


Would have been funnier if you had said "raper wit"






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Roaad
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More from that article:

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One Swedish school got rid of its toy cars because boys "gender-coded" them and ascribed the cars higher status than other toys. Another preschool removed "free playtime" from its schedule because, as a pedagogue at the school put it, when children play freely 'stereotypical gender patterns are born and cemented. In free play there is hierarchy, exclusion, and the seed to bullying.' And so every detail of children's interactions gets micromanaged by concerned adults, who end up problematizing minute aspects of children's lives, from how they form friendships to what games they play and what songs they sing.
Looks like Sweden if fighting biology, not society. The society wants androgyny. They encourage and enforce it. But if they let kids "free play" the kids will follow gender patterns.






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