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ironsides
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Assumptions regarding the future of the country


So as a nation we've been discussing gun control in a pretty heated debate the last few weeks. I think two of the main assumptions on the ban guns side are:
1) we have police that protect our lives and property.

2) we have a military that can protect us from invasion.

I then look at another issue that is important to me: the economy flat out sucks and our current government is incapable through lack of knowledge, capability, and leadership to do anything meaningful to help the economy. This means that government revenues (which have historically been ~20% of GDP) must go down or taxes must go up to pay for the things we need.

So then that brings into question "what do we really need and what can we afford?"

I think what we will end up with is less police and a smaller military - has to happen unless we go full socialist in which case you're still going to have a revenue / spending issue.

In a world with less police and less military would we be as safe and would those of you that don't have guns consider learning how to use one and purchasing one?








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catholictigerfan
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quote:

we have police that protect our lives and property.


if they are there to protect us they can protect and do protect us. But the police can only do so much there are some situations that are unavoidable

quote:

we have a military that can protect us from invasion.


yes they can we have the strongest military in the world and no country out there right now has a chance to stand toe to toe with us. The biggest threat to the safety of our country is terrorism and crime.






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ironsides
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Right - but like I live in NYC right now and have since the 80's.

Right now everyone is safe. We also have more than 2x the cops we used to have. What if they needed to downsize? I think this place would turn back into the shithole it used to be.

Same thing with the military - do we really think its sustainable?






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HempHead
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I think this place would turn back into the shithole it used to be.


National trends in overall violent crime would suggest otherwise.






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Chimlim
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If someone breaks into my house, seconds matter. I can't just sit there and wait 5-10 minutes for police to show up





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Radiojones
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Think about this...a category 1 hurricane hit New York and 24 hours later there were people eating out of dumpsters. If a big natural disaster ever happens there (say a cat 3 or bigger hurricane) that place will turn into a scene from Escape From New York. You need to make certain that you have a way to protect yourself and feed your family.





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SimonSlick
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I can't just sit there and wait 5-10 minutes for police to show up


About 25-30 mins to where I live. I'm on my own if anything happens






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TigerTattle
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quote:

Right now everyone is safe.


Everyone?
quote:

in the Kelly/Bloomberg era (2002 and after) over half the officers -- 51 percent -- had observed the intentional misclassification of serious crimes as petty offenses and other unethical practices, typically multiple times. Officers also reported that since 2002 they had experienced unusually strong pressures from supervisors to downgrade crimes and keep crime numbers low.

The consequences of downgrading or not reporting crimes can be severe. For example, in 2010 recently retired Detective Harold Hernandez revealed to Village Voice reporter Graham Rayman that a series of sexual assault-robberies in Washington Heights had been downgraded from serious felonies to misdemeanors. As a result, the NYPD missed the crime pattern and allowed a sexual predator to remain at large for at least two months and to commit six more rapes.
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There is now a clear message emanating from the top commanders at police headquarters: make many stop and frisks, write many summonses, make many arrests for petty offenses, and downgrade serious crimes. In other words, the NYPD seeks to keep the serious crime numbers low while showing lots of officer activity. The NYPD's 50,000 marijuana arrests, 600,000 summonses, and nearly 700,000 stop and frisks do little or nothing to make the city safer.

LINK

This article is from the Huffington Post. Lots of other articles are out there saying the same thing.

I'll keep my best means of self-defense, thanks, and it's not a baseball bat or equivalent.

eta: Re your question: I don't know that fewer police officers would exacerbate the crime problem there, but I'm guessing it would, especially if they keep downgrading felonies to misdemeanors.



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roscoe mike
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re: Assumptions regarding the future of the country


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So then that brings into question "what do we really need and what can we afford?"


We need the 50 million or so taxpayers, consumer spenders, soldiers, policeman, teachers, etc., etc., that we erased while still in their mother's wombs.






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chalmetteowl
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We need the 50 million or so taxpayers, consumer spenders, soldiers, policeman, teachers, etc., etc., that we erased while still in their mother's wombs.


we should be glad we erased 50 million in the womb... most of those would be the underclass we support indirectly

i think NYC is safer not because of police, but because it's a richer city that's priced out the riffraff. i mean boiler rooms go for $900 a month there






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roscoe mike
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we should be glad we erased 50 million in the womb... most of those would be the underclass we support indirectly


IDK how we can really be sure about that. Historically, the national unemployment rate is between 5-10%. Even counting the unemployed not on the rolls, it's still not more than 15%. That would be at least 40 million as productive members of society.






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chalmetteowl
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you're trying to assume abortions happen equally across the whole population...





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roscoe mike
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U.S. Total Females, Age 15-44 (According to 2010 U.S. Census)

Whites: 58.3% (36,399,198)
Blacks: 14.2% (8,897,793)
Hispanic or Latino: 19.0% (11,845,024)
Other: 8.5% (5,303,843)

U.S. Women Who Obtained Abortions in 2008 (According to Center of Disease Control)

White: 52.4%
Black: 40.2%
Other: 7.4%

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chalmetteowl
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re: Assumptions regarding the future of the country


thanks for proving my point





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4LSU2
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re: Assumptions regarding the future of the country


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If someone breaks into my house, seconds matter. I can't just sit there and wait 5-10 minutes for police to show up


Exactly.






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roscoe mike
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nevermind





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theenemy
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re: Assumptions regarding the future of the country


Also a big reason for the decrease in the homicide rate in the last 40 years was not related to police protection, but was a result in the advancement of medical treatment.

EMT workers and ERs have been much more successful in treating victims.






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mograyback
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Assumptions regarding the future of the country


Huxleys Brave New World... that is the future. (It's pretty much the now).






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Porky
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Huxleys Brave New World... that is the future. (It's pretty much the now).

Wow...haven't thought about that book in years. I even have a copy somewhere.






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Tigah in the ATL
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re: Assumptions regarding the future of the country


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So as a nation we've been discussing gun control in a pretty heated debate the last few weeks
only because it's the latest shiny nickel.

Healthcare...

Election fraud...

Benghazi...

We'll move on to a new crisis soon.






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