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Patrick O Rly
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I hate to address this molehill that has been transformed into a mountain, but you two do realize that the statement I made was intended to be in the voice of the people I was referring to, correct? Not my belief. I'm not that concerned about what you may believe about me, but I am concerned that you at least understand the point of the post, whether it's outrageous to you or not.


Oh cry me a fricking river. You do this shite all the time and you deserve all the shite that flies your way. You make inflammatory statements because it distracts from your weak arse arguments.






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but you two do realize that the statement I made was intended to be in the voice of the people I was referring to, correct? Not my belief.


So you're projecting your racism onto other people?

Yeah, that's rational.






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I work in Alabama, and I hear people talk about the 'thrill' they get from shooting a gun.

Haven't read this thread b/c too long but I will say this. I kill one or two snakes a year with a revolver. It does not give me a thrill. I'm glad the snake is dead so that it cannot bite my dogs. But I do notice an andrenalin rush from encountering the snake, not from shooting the gun. After an incident I typically have to go inside and sit down for a few seconds to get my pulse rate down.

My son is a hunter. Formerly deer, now just ducks. He owns an assortment of 5 guns. He told me that he does not get a thrill from shooting his gun. He simply likes being out in the woods. He has a stressful job and hunting in solitude helps clear his mind. That's why he is not disappointed if he comes home with no game. It's the time in the woods he likes.

Reminds me of my attitude toward golf. If I shoot the worst round of my life I come home happy because I enjoy being out on the course with friends.






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I enjoy shooting as a hobby and its a great way to decompress and blow some steam off.god forbid I ( I think a lot of people fall in this category) ever have to use one for which it was intended. But it does not hurt to be prepared





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quote]but I am concerned that you at least understand the point of the post[/quote]


That if your explanation is true, you decided to substitute "Criminal" with "Negros" to shed the pro-gun element in a negative light?

btw, why did you say Liberals too? Seems like you were going for classes of people, so your criminal argument doesn't really hold water.






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Nothing needs to change with the 2nd amendment.
The "target" is not allowing the government to prevent your ability as an individual to make your OWN choices pertaining to what's in YOUR best interest as a law abiding citizen.






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But come to grips with me on a few things folks. I work in Alabama, and I hear people talk about the 'thrill' they get from shooting a gun. When you go to the shooting range, do you shoot at a target with the shape of a human being, or a deer? I heard one of my employees say, "they will need an army to come get all 37 of my guns."


Oh come on man...this sound like a troll response.

Try to first remember you live in Alabama...

2nd, the mass killings are from people are mental whack jobs.. what do guns have to do with this problem?

These crimes were actually "planned!"

Why don't people focus on the root of the problem?

Further regulating guns will not stop nuts planning a mass shooting.

Since you are a black man, what is your take on the 6000 Plus Annual Black on Black murders that happen every year?

As awful as 20 beautiful children being gunned down are, what about all the black young children and adults that killed every single year?
Over 20K already under Obama's watch...

What do you see as the reason for this epidemic?







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The sobering truth is that no system of government that has ever existed, has ever been free of man's greed for wealth and power. The right to bear arms by those who are governed is a form of checks and balances against those who do the governing.

The people who lived in the colonies were British subjects at the time and rebelled against their own unfair and tyranical government.

We americans think that our system of govt will last forever, but history says different. The Egyptians, the Greeks, The Romans, etc, etc all thought the same. Systems break down. Men in power abuse that power. People suffer and revolt. It has been this way throughout time.

The right to bear arms is a fundamental right of the individual to protect himself and his family first and secondly to form a resistence to unfair governance. During the Revolution, men banded together to form militias from each community bringing along their own personal weapons. The same occured during the civil war.

During any civilizations collapse, there is chaos. The normal forms of civility no longer apply. Police protection cannot keep up with the desperation of those intent on surviving by whatever means possible. The individual should have the right to protect his life as well as his family and possessions against those who would, through this chaos. attempt to harm him or to take his possessions.

If those days do come to america, i dont think that people will be discussing whether or not it is resonable to have a semi automatic, they will be discussing how to find or build stinger missile launchers. If you think this is absurd, just look at afganistan and how the stinger equaled their footing with the russian and the us military. Those fighting there have apparently, with their own weapons formed a well regulated milita to fight for what they believe to be an intrusive and tyranical govt. Whether they are right are wrong they are fighting for their beliefs. So were the Revolutionaries in america, The North & the South in the Civil War, etc.

Our gov't today knows this history and the attempts to limit our second amendment rights are a self preserving attempt on their part, to limit what the people can do to defend themselves against an oppresive gov't. Our gov't becomes stronger every day with laws passed to strengthened their power over us. At some point in time the last straw will fall on the camels back and the people may revolt. History has proven this time and again.









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That if your explanation is true, you decided to substitute "Criminal" with "Negros" to shed the pro-gun element in a negative light?

btw, why did you say Liberals too? Seems like you were going for classes of people, so your criminal argument doesn't really hold water.



I truly don't understand what you're saying. Anyway, I could just have easily said "Muslims", "Commies", "Gays", "Opera Singers". Anything to demonstrate paranoia and myopia on the part of some rabid gun activists that equate a "well regulated militia" with the current "militia movement" . . . which, by the way, is what started this part of the discussion.






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You do this shite all the time and you deserve all the shite that flies your way.


Woe is me.

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You make inflammatory statements because it distracts from your weak arse arguments.



No, I occasionally make inflammatory statements either a) to illuminate the absurdity of some of our more extreme posters or b) for shits and giggles.

And you may not agree with my argument (although I'm not sure you even know what my argument is) but that doesn't make it weak.






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Anyway, I could just have easily said "Muslims", "Commies", "Gays", "Opera Singers"


So your admitting that your excuse of why you did it was a lie?

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The term "Negroes" clearly was for effect, dumbass. Yeah, I think there are some guys on this board who own guns and who think the primary reasons are to defend themselves from the "criminal element . . . ahem"


You claimed you used "Negroes" because certain people assume all blacks are criminals...

So now you are saying you could have used "Muslims, commies, gays, opera singers" because pro-gun people feel they are all criminals too?







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Paper circles with numbers for me.

As to mass shootings and going with my gut it doesn't seem to be gun horders or gun nuts per say that commit most mass murders. To me the guns are just a means to an end they use.

As to your thoughts on shooting, It is thrilling to target shoot sometimes and for a variety of reasons. I truely enjoy testing my aim. To calm yourself and control everything you can to make a good shot is a challenge I enjoy.






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So now you are saying you could have used "Muslims, commies, gays, opera singers" because pro-gun people feel they are all criminals too?



Holy frick, dude, use your brain. You're bright enough. No I used terms that (in an exaggerated and satirical senses) create fear and loathing on the part of some people.






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Lsut81
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No I used terms that (in an exaggerated and satirical senses) create fear and loathing on the part of some people.


I know why the frick you did, so why did you try to lie and claim that the reason you used it is because "Pro-Gun people feel that blacks are all criminals"

And don't say you didn't because I posted your quote trying to weasel out of it.

Why didn't you just say "I wanted to get a rise out of everyone by using a racist term and accusing gun people of being racists"






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Since you are a black man, what is your take on the 6000 Plus Annual Black on Black murders that happen every year?


I wanted to take things with Ethan kind of slowly - although he demonstrates some troll tendencies at times, he is still young and probably doesn't grasp all of the ramifications of what he digests and repeats. He was likely raised to buy into the mainstream, liberal media talking points and accept them as gospel.

I didn't want to (at least yet) get into how, in response to Danny Glover's assertion at aTm that the 2nd Amendment was crafted to protect slavery and defend against Indian attacks, that the gun control movement in the US has, at its genesis, an effort by southern, white democrats to keep the newly freed slaves from arming themselves - effectively an extension of the KKK's efforts to subdue the freedmen following the end of the Civil War.

This is similar to Planned Parenthood's original purpose to keep in check the number of poor children, particularly "negro" children. The founder was an overt racist and eugenecist. As an interesting aside, abortion seems to be a sticking point with the community, and a specific area where they do not, at least in the 90 to 95 percent block voting pattern they follow, completely buy into the liberal agenda.

While much of the black-on-black crime in the U.S. is gang and drug related, the average, middle class and working poor black families face the same (or greater) threats as the average white family and, but for their seemingly lock-step compliance with the Democratic Party platform, should be armed to the same levels and for the same reasons.

Guns, and by extension their owners, have been demonized in this frenzied effort to "do something, ANYTHING", ignoring the obvious fact that doing "something" often results in a worse situation than the status quo.

Robert Preston explained it all, through a very effective example, in The Music Man.

We got trouble, right here in River City

That video, more succinctly and effectively, and in an entertaining fashion, explains how corporations and governments sell products and services (yes, the government has to sell, too) to the masses.



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Agree with most you jusy said but this quote

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is now interpreted by some people as having the sole purpose of allowing individuals to arm themselves with whatever the frick they want so that the can defend themselves against the Feds, liberals and Negroes


I believe refers to a much smaller number of people than you do I reckon.






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Lsut81
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VOR


Normally you are better than this shite... I don't know why you have started to pull this shite lately






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I know why the frick you did, so why did you try to lie and claim that the reason you used it is because "Pro-Gun people feel that blacks are all criminals"


I do think that some of the rabid gun totin' militia movement types do, in fact, think of black as undesirables and/or criminals.

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Why didn't you just say "I wanted to get a rise out of everyone by using a racist term and accusing gun people of being racists"



I don't believe "gun people" (I assume you mean people who believe we have a right to own guns) are racists. I never implied such except to those aren't particularly discerning when they're reading.






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I wanted to take things with Ethan kind of slowly - although he demonstrates some troll tendencies at times, he is still young and probably doesn't grasp all of the ramifications of what he digests and repeats. He was likely raised to buy into the mainstream, liberal media talking points and accept them as gospel.


Just for future reference, I am keenly interested in what you, and most people have to offer.

But you lose me when you start saying all this. I didn't read anymore of your post.






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VOR
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EthanL makes a point. Too often people can't comprehend that people are capable of forming divergent opinions relatively independently and not be because of undue influence by "liberal media" or parents





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