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Louie T
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL

That's a tad bit different. LeBron shoots a high percentage because he's a much more talented perimeter player than everyone else and can get to the rim off the drive easier than anyone else in the league. He's not Tyson fricking chandler.


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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
Exactly. I was just pointing out how much more efficient LBJ is.


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tigerbait4444
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
So compare one game? Ok...let me go find a game where shaq went 80 or 90 percent...my point is over the long Haul ...comparing Kobe and lebron statwise doesn't fit. Nevermind.


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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
It doesn't fit because LBJ is a more efficient player.


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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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The sad thing is Kobe has a better supporting cast offensively.


Ummmm not even close. Heat are way better. Lakers have one of the worst benches in the league.


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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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Who did Lebron just run to go talk to after his interview?
Shaq

And for some reason Shaq held/squeezed LBJ & bit him


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Louie T
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
He's been a largely perimeter based player throughout his career that lives with the ball in his hands. Kobe is a much better comp for him offensively career-wise than a solely low post player. Nevermind


tigerbait4444
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
Ummm...well then by your math Lbj is more effecient than mj....stats only get you so far.


jturn17
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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So doing a barrel roll on the ground isn't a travel? Ok.



It wasn't a travel. He didn't have possession of the ball.


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GeauxWarrior12
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
Exactly Kobe has always been a volume shooter that doesn't make his teammates better. LBJ is an efficient scorer that make his teammates much better.
This post was edited on 1/18 at 12:43 am


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molsusports
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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The Lakers won't make the playoffs.


I feel like they will make it if they play like this (minus bad shooting nights) the rest of the season

They played better on the whole tonight IMO


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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
With hill out the lakers prolly have the worst bench in the league.


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jturn17
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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They played better on the whole tonight IMO



They really didn't. They played some really terrible defense. No resistance at the rim. If the Heat made their open shots like they usually do, they win by 20-25. Offensively they were fine, but that's usually the case. It's their defense that can't get itself together.
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tigerbait4444
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
Narrowminded viewpoint. Better allaround players do not always make for a better unit. Phil Jackson assembled winners by filling roles....one of which has always been a volume shooter.


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Message Posted by tigerbait4444 Ummm...well then by your math Lbj is more effecient than mj....stats only get you so far.


Jordan is a different beast. Jordan shot the ball at a 50% clip. Kobe shoots it at 45%. Jordan was a much more efficient player.


GeauxWarrior12
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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Narrowminded viewpoint. Better allaround players do not always make for a better unit. Phil Jackson assembled winners by filling roles....one of which has always been a volume shooter.


Are you serious? Phil Jackson won championships because he had 2 of the most efficient players of all time Shaq and MJ.


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tigerbait4444
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
In otherwords...plugging lebron in kobes spot during the lakers run isn't a sure 5 titles... anymore than plugging Kobe in lbjs spot would have won it last year. Roles...unity... its how Dallas outplayed the effecient Lbj in the finals.


jturn17
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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Jordan is a different beast. Jordan shot the ball at a 50% clip. Kobe shoots it at 45%. Jordan was a much more efficient player.



Taking into account FTs and 3pt extra worth, it's closer, but Jordan and LeBron are just better than Kobe.

TS%
Jordan: 56.9%
LeBron: 57.1%
Kobe: 55.5%

It doesn't seem like much on its face, but when you shoot as many shots as these guys do, that extra 1.5% makes a big difference over time.


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tigerbait4444
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
There's no room for the term different beast when you're talking stats and effectiveness. You cant have it both ways...


GeauxWarrior12
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re: Heat 99 @ Lakers 90 - 9:30 TNT Game Thread FINAL
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In otherwords...plugging lebron in kobes spot during the lakers run isn't a sure 5 titles... anymore than plugging Kobe in lbjs spot would have won it last year. Roles...unity... its how Dallas outplayed the effecient Lbj in the finals.


That crazy talk. Kobe doesn't sniff a ring with last years Heat team minus LBJ. And you think if LBJ had Shaq in his prime he wouldn't have won. Or the best PF/C combo in the league in Pau/Bynum. Your delusional. Do you honestly think Kobe is on LBJ's level?


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