La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013. - Page 8 - TigerDroppings.com

Posted byMessage
H-Town Tiger
Toledo Fan
Member since Nov 2003
42540 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:


Correct, Miami. That's what I said. Then Saban came to BR to see another player, visited with Williams, Williams saw the NC, and he was persuaded to go to Tuscaloosa.


OK, so what is your point? If the staff back offed because they thought they had no shot and decided not to waste time, how is that a bad or not good thing? It is what it is. He wanted to go out of state. So what?

Didn't Saban go after Williams because they had someone switch to Florida?

ETA: Walker is the guy that switched leaving Bama with a spot to fill. Otherwise TW would probably be head to Miami.



This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:11 pm


Back to top
  Replies (0)
dos crystal
LSU Fan
prairieville
Member since Aug 2008
2964 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

Y'all are missing the point. It's about locking down our state. Regardless of how many actually pan out, I would rather Lacy, Bell, Collins, and Williams be on our roster.


so you rather we not sign ware or ford or blue?

not sign corely, phelon, gibson, williford, alexander,ken adams, or logan stokes. (all alabama signees during this time) corely and phelon were 4 star, williford 3 star, alexander 4 star, stokes three star, adams 4 star.

looks like a comparable list to the ones who left and the ones we got. neither can claim all that much. williford has been as good as bell for the tide. corely, phelon, and gibson were bust much like davis, sentimore, and green.

alexander appears to be a player, ken adams was a good player for us. you can say lacy was a good player for them.

jury still out onf duval and collins. jury still out on stokes.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
The312
Northwestern Fan
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

the problem is in thinking its a bad thing or a good thing. Its not a good thing to not get players from your home state you want, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. 2 of the top 3 players from Alabama signed out of state last year. Is that a bad thing?

LINK
The point is to get 85 good football players. Now, most people go to college close to where they live and when you have a state with as much talent as La, it gives you a huge advantage toward having a good football team as long as you get MOST of the top players, which we do. That said, if you do not get all the top 25 players from the state, then you need to get good players from other states. Which frankly the current staff has done better than any previous LSU staff.


I don't disagree with much of what you've said here. I merely disagree with the rabid refusal to see that losing top in-state recruits to Bama - in isolation, by itself - is a bad thing. The OP merely pointed out the trend, he never said that LSU was doomed. His basic, discrete point is correct.

Also, let me address your "replacement" argument. Obviously, you know that our staff has its own ranking of recruits. Collins was ahead of Thompson on our own boards. Our own coaches preferred Collins. So I am not going to celebrate or pretend that there isn't a drop-off in talent when we have to replace one player with another who is lower on our own boards! Thompson may be a nice player in the absolute, but even our staff thoought Collins was better. Hence, I have to believe that LSU would have been better off getting Collins. This is only reasonable. And that is merely one example. Naturally, there are others.

Finally, to your Alabama in-state analogy, if Miles were assembling perennial number one consensus classes, I would naturally be less concerned about losing in-state talent. But that certainly wasn't true last year, when we finished outside the top ten.






Back to top
BOZ4LSU
LSU Fan
LILBURN,GA.
Member since Jan 2012
1430 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

The312



rosco mike's alter
or your trolling just as hard as he is
OR you are just that easily persuaded by what he said that held NO water






Back to top
  Replies (0)
BOZ4LSU
LSU Fan
LILBURN,GA.
Member since Jan 2012
1430 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

The312


Of all these recruits the only one that hurts is Collins. We know that, but whatever move on. we all know Lacy's story too.






Back to top
redfieldk717
Wisconsin Fan
Boxtardistan
Member since Oct 2011
21422 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


how the frick did this thread get to 8 pages


This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:19 pm


Back to top
  Replies (0)
funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
832 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

I merely disagree with the rabid refusal to see that losing top in-state recruits to Bama - in isolation, by itself - is a bad thing.
Why? First of all, we aren't "losing" these recruits. They don't belong to us. They are individuals who have every right to go wherever they want. But even so, why is "losing" a recruit to Bama worse than losing one to USC? Or to Texas, or Ole Miss, or Pitt, or any other of the 100+ schools. It's LSU against the field, that's it. The overall hangup on Bama amongst LSU fans is unreal. Our team is the only one I care about. After us, there is everyone else. Stop making the only important thing to be LSU vs. Bama. We are playing against the field. The only people who get upset about "loosing" recruits to Bama are those who already are obsessed with Bama. They are the ones who would rather we beat Bama than win the National Championship, and I just don't get it



This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:24 pm


Back to top
roscoe mike
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
806 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


Ok. I'll try a different approach.

LSU "didn't want" the players I listed - fine.

The players I listed aren't that good anyway - fine.

LSU replaced them with better players - fine.

What pisses me off is that they all went to frickin Bama. Don't y'all get it. It's not normal. What's normal is a couple go to Fla. A couple go to Tenn. One goes to USCe. Not all of them to Bama.






Back to top
redfieldk717
Wisconsin Fan
Boxtardistan
Member since Oct 2011
21422 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

. A couple go to Tenn. One goes to USCe


these teams suck, why would a good player go there over bama?






Back to top
  Replies (0)
roscoe mike
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
806 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


Dude. It's Bama because they're the best. If someone else were the best, it would be that team.





Back to top
  Replies (0)
Prominentwon
McNeese State Fan
...that's where TOTS come from!
Member since Jan 2005
72511 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

the rabid refusal to see that losing top in-state recruits to Bama - in isolation, by itself - is a bad thing. The OP merely pointed out the trend, he never said that LSU was doomed. His basic, discrete point is correct.


Because its irrelevant to lose them to BAMA. One recruit has made a significant impact there. Big deal. Like someone else has said If youre going to complain about losing talent to other schools, include them all, not just BAMA. Your bleeding vagina neve stops. Ever.

It sucks more to lose Prentiss Waggoner and Dallas Thomas to Tennessee more than it did any of those other scrubs to Alabama.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
H-Town Tiger
Toledo Fan
Member since Nov 2003
42540 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

Our own coaches preferred Collins. So I am not going to celebrate or pretend that there isn't a drop-off in talent when we have to replace one player with another who is lower on our own boards! Thompson may be a nice player in the absolute, but even our staff thoought Collins was better. Hence, I have to believe that LSU would have been better off getting Collins


This gets to the whole heart of your problem. You see everyhing as a ranking, a list an absolute. 10>9 always and forever. Collins is ranked higher so you treat it as an absolute. Maybe he is better, how much difference will it make? The reality is probably not much. But you live in the theoretical world, not the real world. The chances that there is 1 play that Landon collins can make that corey thompson can not and that play will be the difference between winning or losing a game is highly, highly unlikely. As i also said, Dre Kirkpatrick was a 5*, Caliborne was a 3*. I'm sure every one, including the LSU staff would have rather had DK over MC.


quote:

if Miles were assembling perennial number one consensus classes, I would naturally be less concerned about losing in-state talent. But that certainly wasn't true last year, when we finished outside the top ten


We have been consistently in the top 5-10. Last years class was ranked lower on some sites, at least 1 had it #7, because the others were not counting Hill.



This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:30 pm


Back to top
  Replies (0)
Cousin
LSU Fan
The Bayou
Member since Feb 2012
4605 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


Why are you worried? I skimmed through the numerous pages of this thread and it seems as if you have the little brother complex and is scared of the "big bama"...f.u.c.k. them...we will be fine...we have constantly done well in recruiting under miles...relax over there...their recruiting rankings will always be better than ours (9 times out of 10) due to the site biases....but we will always bring in talent...we find 2* prospects and make them starters (i.e. Jalen Mills)...calm down over there....LSU will be fine


This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:30 pm


Back to top
  Replies (0)
The312
Northwestern Fan
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

Why? First of all, we aren't "losing" these recruits. They don't belong to us. They are individuals who have every right to go wherever they want. But even so, why is "losing" a recruit to Bama worse than losing one to USC? Or to Texas, or Ole Miss, or Pitt, or any other of the 100+ schools.


Come on, funnystuff, the answer to this one is obvious. Since Alabama is in our division of our conference, it's worse to cede recruits to them because we have face those players each and every year. Put another way, losing the in-state recruits to Bama weakens LSU and strengthens our primary divisional rival. That isn't the case with Pitt or Texas or USC. I agree that regularly losing highly touted in-state recruits to Ole Miss, Arkansas, and other SEC West teams would also be a shitty outcome.



This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:30 pm


Back to top
Penrod
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2011
3809 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

Y'all are missing the point. It's about locking down our state. Regardless of how many actually pan out, I would rather Lacy, Bell, Collins, and Williams be on our roster.


You're the one missing the point, Roscoe. No team is going to get every good player in their state. We get almost all of them plus we load up on out of state talent far in excess of what we lose from in state. You can't "lock down" your state without kidnapping players, and that's against the law.






Back to top
H-Town Tiger
Toledo Fan
Member since Nov 2003
42540 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

Put another way, losing the in-state recruits to Bama weakens LSU and strengthens our primary divisional rival


While I 100% agree it would be better for La recruits to sign out of the SEC, so we do not have to face them, this is 100% wrong and yet another example of your flawed, absolutist thinking.



This post was edited on 1/17 at 1:32 pm


Back to top
roscoe mike
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
806 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


quote:

You're the one missing the point, Roscoe. No team is going to get every good player in their state. We get almost all of them plus we load up on out of state talent far in excess of what we lose from in state. You can't "lock down" your state without kidnapping players, and that's against the law.


Maybe I am missing the point. But It pissed me off seeing Eddie Lacy score a TD in Tiger Stadium wearing a gump uni.






Back to top
VermilionTiger
LSU Fan
Buga Nation
Member since Dec 2012
12023 posts
 Online 

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


If you haven't figured out that 75% of the RB success at Alabama is due to their offensive line, I can't help you

LSU has RBs just as good as lacy






Back to top
  Replies (0)
Mobiletiger
LSU Fan
Mobile, AL
Member since Dec 2007
824 posts

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


when saban leave bama the pipeline is shut off period, end of story!





Back to top
VermilionTiger
LSU Fan
Buga Nation
Member since Dec 2012
12023 posts
 Online 

re: La. recruits signed by Bama from 2007-2013.


The only thing Saban has really hurt LSU in (recruiting wise, for now) is mobile





Back to top
  Replies (0)


Back to top