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CITWTT
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What third world countries are being stripped of thier food resources? Name some of them. Those starving lands in Africa are starving from droughts and internal politics of violence. Starving masses are kept away from internationally supplied food sources by people with guns that would rather see them die than be free of oppressors.





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mograyback
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So you're under the impression the US is a net agricultural importer?

If that is your impression, it's terribly inaccurate.

If not, then your statement is inaccurate.


I'm saying we use the lands and resources in 3rd world countries for our benefit while people in those countries starve. That isn't inaccurate.



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HempHead
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Who, exactly, is 'we'? Which countries are we exploiting, and for what products?





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Mike da Tigah
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ynthetic-organic fertilizers(made synthetically and outperform organic on environment- no NO3 leaching) are making bigger strides in nutrient delivery to plants.


Which have to be significantly amped up every year in order to maintain the same yield, which results in higher cost every year, and a lack of earth worms, and you're wrong. Truth is, traditional farming methods are proven to produce as high a yield or greater. The reason you don't see more of it is because of the cost to the farmer in reverting back to those techniques over a 3-5 year period. Most would love to do it, but they can't afford to take the hit short term. It's a system they've all become addicted to.






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HempHead
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I don't oppose occasional use of herbicides (though I don't do it myself for certification reasons) or insecticides, but I will agree that overuse and dependence has sterilized much of our soil to a terrible extent, and has eliminated a lot of biodiversity within the soil and on farms themselves.

I have definitely changed my views in regards to GMOs, however. I won't use them because my customers would not do business with me anymore, but I believe that biotechnology is essential for feeding the world's population.






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NC_Tigah
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I'm saying we use the lands and resources in 3rd world countries for our benefit while people in those countries starve. That isn't inaccurate.
So you're not saying we turn starving nations lands into farms for our own use, or that we rob 3rd world nations of their food?






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CITWTT
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The shitholes you speak of would be worse shitholes if not for international trade. Take a look at the progress of Zimbabwe since its' independence from whitey.





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mograyback
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I'm saying we use the lands and resources in 3rd world countries for our benefit while people in those countries starve. That isn't inaccurate.
So you're not saying we turn starving nations lands into farms for our own use, or that we rob 3rd world nations of their food?


Those two things are the same thing. Have you had your coffee yet?

Or do you play that petty semantic game too?



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mograyback
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The shitholes you speak of would be worse shitholes if not for international trade. Take a look at the progress of Zimbabwe since its' independence from whitey.


What are you talking about?

Have I mentioned anything about not wanting international trade?

(And I don't believe I've said anything about anyone or anyplace being a shithole).






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Mike da Tigah
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I have definitely changed my views in regards to GMOs, however. I won't use them because my customers would not do business with me anymore, but I believe that biotechnology is essential for feeding the world's population.


Not if the world began feeding themselves, but then we don't really feed the world as much as we feed the world that has become as much dependent upon us as we are on their dependence upon us. If more communities, both here and elsewhere would begin practicing buying locally I think you would see a much more independent, healthy, and economically vibrant dynamic take place everywhere, and rather than being 1 disease and drought away from disaster, we would be more independent and isolated from those kinds of events, or at least have some semblance of a backup plan if and when it does occur.

Additionally, we would be getting much fresher produce, and the cost in shipping alone would be drastically decreased, so those looking to conserve energy get just that by buying local as well. For myself it just makes good sense, especially in revenue for my local and state infrastructure, not just in farming, but in supporting business and industry, and those not even in the food business at all. I don't mean to sound mean here, but I truly don't really give a shite about what benefits Idaho, Wisconsin, Illinois, or California, as I do what serves Louisiana's interests economically and in growing industry and supporting the small business here first and foremost.









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HempHead
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rather than being 1 disease and drought away from disaster, we would be more independent and isolated from those kinds of events, or at least have some semblance of a backup plan if and when it does occur.


I think that it is just the opposite.

How many food shortages have occurred in industrialized nations in the past 50 years that were a result of natural conditions? Compare that to the uncertainty that comes with depending on local phenomenon and get back to me.

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and the cost in shipping alone would be drastically decreased, so those looking to conserve energy get just that by buying local as well.


This may be true - to an extent. However, the fuel expended by a multitude of small farmers, delivering either to a market or directly to their customers under the CSA model (or customers coming to them) is greater than the fuel expended by an industrial distribution system, in many cases.






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NC_Tigah
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I'm saying we use the lands and resources in 3rd world countries for our benefit while people in those countries starve. That isn't inaccurate. So you're not saying we turn starving nations lands into farms for our own use, or that we rob 3rd world nations of their food?
Those two things are the same thing.
No they aren't.

Use of compensated land for factories, military bases, etc. has nothing to do with farms.
Use of land in that manner has nothing to do with "robbing 3rd world nations of their food".

Now then, cite specific examples of our "robbing 3rd world countries of their food."
If you would, please.






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HempHead
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Industrial organic is the future, IMO. Though I hope that many in the movement will realize that an anti-GMO is just a terrible rationalization for an appeal to nature.





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cwill
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I'm saying we use the lands and resources in 3rd world countries for our benefit while people in those countries starve. That isn't inaccurate.


Name a third world country where people are starving because "we" use their "lands and resources". And of course relate this to the industrial food system which you claimed is the source of this deprivation.

Also have you been able to find any support for your claim that people that buy organic/shop at whole foods spend less on food than people who eat industrial food?



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Mike da Tigah
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How many food shortages have occurred in industrialized nations in the past 50 years that were a result of natural conditions? Compare that to the uncertainty that comes with depending on local phenomenon and get back to me.


As with the universe and planet we live on, 50 years is not enough time to judge anything by. Conditions change and the earth changes, so while we may have dodged the bullet to date, that doesn't mean we won't catch it later, and dependency on companies like Monsanto who we all know could care less about the integrity as they do the bottom line, as that's the purely business end that drives it, is not where I would like to see our food industry. It's not where I would like to see my own state and local addicted to. None of that helps Louisiana farms, agriculture, or economics, in as much as shopping at Walmart helps stymie local entrepreneurship and a healthy local market. It drives locals out of business.

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This may be true - to an extent. However, the fuel expended by a multitude of small farmers, delivering either to a market or directly to their customers under the CSA model (or customers coming to them) is greater than the fuel expended by an industrial distribution system, in many cases.



If so, then that may very well be attributed to the lengths they have to go to in order to bring their products to market, or those who even have room for their products on their shelves anymore. Truth be known, the real reason for all of this is that the people themselves don't see the value in it, for. If they did, there would be farmers markets all over town, open 7 days a week, and pumping out business right and left, but that's not the case here at least. Elsewhere, much more so, but it's still a foreign concept to most here, which is pretty strange that it is considering we are only a few generations removed from that being the norm rather than a foreign concept.







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WildTchoupitoulas
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...without the "industrial food complex" or whatever nonsense you call it over 1B people would not be alive on this planet today

Are you putting a value judgement on that?

A population of organisms will grow to meet the available food source. The "industrial food complex" produces as much food as possible as that increases shareholder value.

So the question is, do we want to grow as many humans as possible? What happens when the food supply fails?

Would a better goal be to develop sustainable agriculture models tailored for regional circumstances and to help develop distribution networks also tailored for regional circumstances?

Agribusiness has one goal and one goal only - short term growth of shareholder value. There is nothing incentivizing sustainable agriculture. Producers become dependent on the "industrial food complex", if anything fails along the production/distribution line, you will have famine.

We are creating dependents world wide with our "industrial food complex".






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VOR
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Concealed means concealed. I practice judo and hand to hand combat every week and if that officer decides to do that to a highly trained guy, shite gonna get sticky fast.

I noticed that Mall of La Movie theater also has a 'No Gun' sign on the doors.

I would still carry concealed as I won't put my safety and defense in their hands.




You would lose your permit.






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CITWTT
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Uh, if people are starving from the exploitation of thier nations resources, does that nation not qualify as a shithole?





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VOR
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Don't care I'll still shop at Whole Foods because:

They have the best local produce, supporting American small farmers.

They pay their staff a living wage.

They have many items I can't find elsewhere

I can afford to shop here regularly


Pretty much this. And they do tend to have happy employees who are actually pleasant to deal with.






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VOR
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Would a better goal be to develop sustainable agriculture models tailored for regional circumstances and to help develop distribution networks also tailored for regional circumstances?



Of course, but there's going to have to be money in it for somebody.






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