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Did I mention that I have supplemental materials for English class too? Just wait and see what I'm gonna do to the language.





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NC_Tigah
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Just wait and see what I'm gonna do to the language.
Ebonics?






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LSU2001
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When I did my student teaching at Baker High,my supervising teacher told me that I had to teach "creationism" equal time with evolution. I knew she was full of shite so I prepared my lesson plan to do just that. You should have seen the look on her face when I started my lecture about how the world rests on the back of a giant turtle and then went into a discussion of the Hopi Spiderwoman
Needless to say she got the point and I got to teach he basics of Darwinian evolution and Natural Selection without any interference.






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Cruiserhog
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You have a problem with promoting critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning?



couple of things here for the simpletons

Here is what is important to the discussion about this LSEA....there are no competing Theories against the Theory of Evolution

there are no accepted Theories on any of the following

origin of life
global warming
human cloning

The Theory of Evolution is probably the most elegant model of overwhelming evidence, testable and predictable facts from the broadest possible spectrum of life, geological, and historical sciences, that explains the life diversity that exists on the planet now.

No matter what path you choose, be it morphology, a specific lineage of genes, the fossil record, embryonic development...no matter what you choose to study the tree of life you discover will be perfectly mirrored when using a differing path in another science.

No other competing idea comes close to achieving the status of Theory and its actually laughable that any one, be it here on Politardom or in the Louisiana State Legislature or beyond the status of 10 years old and done with Sunday school actually believes creationism, ID, etc

Well done kid, keep it up.


and please dont comment if you dont know the difference between theory and Theory, you are a dumbass and it will be fun to make jokes about you



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He's 19 isn't even in school anymore. I see be made it to college so obviously the curriculum did harm him to greatly.

Time to grow up and get over high school dude.






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NC_Tigah
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there are no accepted Theories on any of the following

origin of life
global warming
human cloning


WTF is an """accepted""" theory????

Regarding origin of life, global warming, human cloning, are you suggesting that AGW is not taught in Public HS Science Classes?
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The Theory of Evolution is probably the most elegant model of overwhelming evidence, testable and predictable facts from the broadest possible spectrum of life, geological, and historical sciences, that explains the life diversity that exists on the planet now.

No matter what path you choose, be it morphology, a specific lineage of genes, the fossil record, embryonic development...no matter what you choose to study the tree of life you discover will be perfectly mirrored when using a differing path in another science.

No other competing idea comes close to achieving the status of Theory and its actually laughable that any one, be it here on Politardom or in the Louisiana State Legislature or beyond the status of 10 years old and done with Sunday school actually believes creationism, ID, etc
If you understood what Critical Thinking entails, you'd understand why Creationism is not a threat to Evolutionary Theory in a classroom setting. In fact, quite the reverse.

But then you're clearly not a proponent of Critical Thinking. You want kids to simply be required to be presented """accepted theory""", to memorize """accepted theory""", to regurgitate that """accepted theory""" and then call it a day. Yours is exactly the kind of mentality leading to acceptance of idiocy like Warmist Science.






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Bayou
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Creationism is directed toward origins - evolution spins off of that and from that.

Evolution Theory can not remotely closely come close to touching on origins - it dead ends - yet is accepted as gospel within it's own religion that we evolved from "some thing." We don't care what we evolved from just as long as it can't be God, right? I hope you guys find your straw man one of these centuries.






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But then you're clearly not a proponent of Critical Thinking. You want kids to simply be required to be presented """accepted theory""", to memorize """accepted theory""", to regurgitate that """accepted theory""" and then call it a day.
where does creationism come in with this line of thinking though?






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bpfergu
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The law specifically states all scientific theories, but you chose to brings up Chemistry because it wasn't mentioned by name. As if that somehow validates your overreaction.


First off, I never said that chemistry is a theory. Go back a read what I typed. I said chemistry has theories that fall under it, that is it. Are you disagreeing with that?

Here is what I typed:

Yes, I do have a problem with teachers being given the right to "critique and review" explicitly politically controversial theories such as evolution but make no mention of general topics such as chemistry. This gives creationist an excuse to try to introduce mythology into a science class (which the article explains happened a couple of years ago).

Where do I say that chemistry is a theory? I said that chemistry is a general topic. Not that this has to do with anything but whatever.

I used the example of chemistry because it has a plethora of theories that fall under it that aren't mentioned in this bill. Why is that? Why doesn't it give the teachers the right to, say, critique molecular orbital theory?

I'll tell you why. Because doing so doesn't give the teachers the opportunity to interject their PERSONAL religious beliefs on the students. That is all this is about is having a way for teachers to be able to wiggle in their creationism beliefs. This is simply wrong. Their personal deities have no place in the science classroom. They have no scientific backing and are saturated with personal, biased opinions that should not have to be forced upon others.

And even if they were to share their creationism beliefs, what do you think they are going to teach? Most likely the Christian teachings. What about Islam? And Hinduism? And Buddhism? Do you think these teachers are going to "critique" evolution with these other religious beliefs as well? Doubt it. If you are going to play the "critical thinking" card, then you have to widen this scope out to other religions as well.

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No, you seem to be a pretty hate-filled person. It's ok, this is a safe place.


Not hateful at all. I just want kids to have the best education possible, and to learn about things that are accepted world-wide. If they want to learn more about various religions that is fine, but save it for a separate class dedicated to that, family, friends, or church.

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This is not supported in the law. If he really cared (and really why should he at this point?), he should be pushing for enforcement instead of pissing on anyone that thinks differently than him.


It's not supported but yet it is happening. Funny how that works, huh? Honestly, what is this law accomplishing? What other way are you going to "critically think" about evolution without interjecting religious deities into it? Please, do explain.

And also, aren't these teachers "pissing on" everyone else for attempting to throw out science textbooks so that they can teach their own, biased, beliefs?

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They're teaching universal scientific theories in high school these days? Crazy.


I hope this is a joke.



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bpfergu
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There's a wonderful personification of critical thinking.

Thanks!


Coming from the guy who wants to teach our kids about rib women and talking snakes in the science classroom, this statement doesn't surprise me.

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OTOH, perhaps you're as unfamiliar with AGW as you were with the LSEA?


Please, please, PLEASE come out and say that you don't think Christianity is a form of mythology. Then I can go ahead and label you incapable of having an actual conversation and move on from this.






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GeauxTigerTM
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If you understood what Critical Thinking entails, you'd understand why Creationism is not a threat to Evolutionary Theory in a classroom setting.


Wait...are you suggesting this new initiative was NOT brought on by the religious looking to get creationism back into the classroom in another way than simply being open about it? This wording was very carefully written, and not by science educators.

I'll assume you don't know the history of this so I'll provide a link.

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TK421
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I used the example of chemistry because it has a plethora of theories that fall under it that aren't mentioned in this bill. Why is that? Why doesn't it give the teachers the right to, say, critique molecular orbital theory?


Why does everything need to be specifically stated for you? It should be obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills that is was intended to apply to all subject areas. Not just the obsession of atheists, evolution.

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And even if they were to share their creationism beliefs, what do you think they are going to teach? Most likely the Christian teachings. What about Islam?


Pretty similar, actually. You're showing your ignorance.

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And Hinduism? And Buddhism? Do you think these teachers are going to "critique" evolution with these other religious beliefs as well?


Who cares? The law says they can use supplemental texts in addition to the required science texts. Why is that so bad?

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Not hateful at all. I just want kids to have the best education possible,


Then you should GTFO of Louisiana. Including creationist material in schools is not the reason our public education system is failing.

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They're teaching universal scientific theories in high school these days? Crazy.


I hope this is a joke.


The joke is you don't know what a universal scientific theory is.






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bpfergu
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Why does everything need to be specifically stated for you? It should be obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills that is was intended to apply to all subject areas. Not just the obsession of atheists, evolution.


Yeah, that is why the act EXPLICITLY MENTIONS "evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning", right? If this act was truly designed to apply to all subject areas, what is the purpose of calling these specific theories out? You and I both know the answer but feel free to keep playing ignorant if you'd prefer.

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Pretty similar, actually. You're showing your ignorance.


This statement has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked.

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Who cares? The law says they can use supplemental texts in addition to the required science texts. Why is that so bad?


You didn't answer my question. Do you think teachers in Louisiana are going to teach these other religions and their explanation of, say, origin of life equally along with Christianity? Again, you and I both know the answer to this question be please feel free to play the ignorance card yet again.

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Then you should GTFO of Louisiana. Including creationist material in schools is not the reason our public education system is failing.


"You want Louisiana kids to have the best education possible? Then GTFO out of Louisiana!"

Great logic there.

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The joke is you don't know what a universal scientific theory is.


Again with the semantics card. There isn't an established definition of universal scientific theory. It is just a phrase I used. To me, it is a theory that is universally accepted as being the most valid theory, and should be (and what generally is) taught in schools.






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TK421
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Yeah, that is why the act EXPLICITLY MENTIONS "evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning", right?


Again, who cares? It also explicitly mentions applying to all area of study. You're very upset over nothing.

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Do you think teachers in Louisiana are going to teach these other religions and their explanation of, say, origin of life equally along with Christianity?


I have no idea what the teachers of Louisiana are going to do. Most of them will likely say nothing about the origin of life in their classrooms. But it is funny how many people are opposed to their freedom to do so.

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Again with the semantics card. There isn't an established definition of universal scientific theory


Actually, there is and it has nothing to do semantics. I'm sorry you are so incredibly ignorant of anything related to science.






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bpfergu
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Again, who cares? It also explicitly mentions applying to all area of study. You're very upset over nothing.


Nice dodge on what I said.

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I have no idea what the teachers of Louisiana are going to do. Most of them will likely say nothing about the origin of life in their classrooms. But it is funny how many people are opposed to their freedom to do so.


I do.

Soon after the act was passed, some of his teachers began to not just supplement existing texts, but to rid the classroom of established science books altogether. It was during the process to adopt a new life science textbook in 2010 that creationists barraged Louisiana's State Board of Education with complaints about the evidence-based science texts.

Would you like to make a wager on what religion these creationists were going to teach? It sure as hell wasn't going to be Islam or Buddhism. Again, how is that allowing "critical thinking"?

Again, nice dodge with what I asked.

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Actually, there is and it has nothing to do semantics. I'm sorry you are so incredibly ignorant of anything related to science.


Link?

Oh, and I find it hilarious that you are telling someone with a masters degree in engineering from a top 5 engineering school that I am "ignorant of anything related to science".

And your credentials would be...?



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La Place Mike
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As the article CLEARLY stated, creationists are using this law as ammunition to try to throw out science in the classroom and teach their own agenda. You can wiggle around all you want, but it is stated clear as day in this article.
In what school did this happen? Do you know the teachers or teachers names that did this?






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La Place Mike
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Soon after the act was passed, some of his teachers began to not just supplement existing texts, but to rid the classroom of established science books altogether. It was during the process to adopt a new life science textbook in 2010 that creationists barraged Louisiana's State Board of Education with complaints about the evidence-based science texts.
Where did this happen?






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bpfergu
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In what school did this happen? Do you know the teachers or teachers names that did this?


I don't know. I don't even in Louisiana. I just came across the article and found it interesting.

In my opinion it doesn't really matter where it happened if this was a public school. Trying to throw out science-backed textbooks so that you can teach your personal, private religious beliefs in a public school is uncalled for.






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La Place Mike
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I don't know. I don't even in Louisiana. I just came across the article and found it interesting.
So you don't even know if it's true or not?
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Trying to throw out science-backed textbooks so that you can teach your personal, private religious beliefs in a public school is uncalled for.

Again, who tried to do this?






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TK421
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I do.


No, you have one or two outliers. You do not know what the majority think.

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Would you like to make a wager on what religion these creationists were going to teach?


Why does it matter to you so much? What do you hate freedom?

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Link?


Google broken for you? Figure it out.

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Oh, and I find it hilarious that you are telling someone with a masters degree in engineering from a top 5 engineering school that I am "ignorant of anything related to science".


Engineers \= scientists.

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And your credentials would be...?


Close to a Ph.D. in molecular physics.






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