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slackhouse 
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| Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 7:08 am)
I know he has his medical issues, and I have a TON of respect for Miles not just ditching him on the side of the street after that news came to light. But, at what point does LSU just need to move Kragthorpe into an administrative position in the Athletic Department?
This is purely a discussion on Kragthorpe's ability to coach QBs, not whether the Parkinson's Disease is limiting his coaching. I think he would step down completely if he thought his condition was making him a worse coach. Our QBs haven't gotten better in the 2 years under his tutelage.
When is it okay to say that he has failed at that, put him in an office somewhere so that LSU can continue to take care of his family, and give someone else a shot at working with our QBs? After next season if Mett doesn't show improvement in 2013? Now? How many years does a QB coach get to prove his worth?
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higgsBoson 
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 7:10 am to slackhouse)
As its been said numerous times, Kragthorpe is the least of our worries on the offensive side of the ball.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 7:11 am to slackhouse)
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Our QBs haven't gotten better in the 2 years under his tutelage.
I think this is clearly wrong. I'm not sure how anyone can say that Mettenberger didn't get any better over the 2nd half of the year last year. When we did have problems, it was due to not protecting him in the pocket.
The argument against Kragthorpe is that if we hire another OC, we will also need to replace the OL coach. That means someone else has to go.
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slackhouse
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 7:19 am to moneyg)
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When we did have problems, it was due to not protecting him in the pocket.
I like Mett a lot and think he has great potential. But, he was still overthrowing WRs, RBs, TEs and stuck in quick sand in the pocket the last half of the season.
He had a great game against Bama and then looked like he regressed.
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Boudreaux in SF
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 7:52 am to moneyg)
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Our QBs haven't gotten better in the 2 years under his tutelage.
I think this is clearly wrong.
I agree. He had Lee playing with a confidence that we had not seen from him for a majority of the season last year, until he crumbled under the pressure at bama.
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I'm not sure how anyone can say that Mettenberger didn't get any better over the 2nd half of the year last year.
Agree. Mett is still a work in progress. IMO at some point the game will slow down for him, then watch out.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 7:58 am to slackhouse)
It's going to be extremely difficult for Les to make a move at OC without Kragthorpe moving on. If Stud leaves on his own the market for an OC/OL coach is extremely thin. If Kragthorpe does move into an admin postion, it won't be long before Stud is gone.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 8:06 am to slackhouse)
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Our QBs haven't gotten better in the 2 years under his tutelage.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 8:12 am to slackhouse)
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He had a great game against Bama and then looked like he regressed.
He threw for over 1,000 yards (40% of his season total) in the month of November with a 61% completion percentage and 2:1 TD to INT ratio.
He absolutely improved.
Not to mention how instrumental Kragthorpe has been in recruiting QBs this year. Personally I think Krags is the best coach we have on the offensive side of the ball.
This post was edited on 1/15 at 8:23 am
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 8:33 am to slackhouse)
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But, he was still overthrowing WRs, RBs, TEs and stuck in quick sand in the pocket the last half of the season.
A QB coach can coach you but he can't make the actual throws during the game. At some point the QB has to be responsible.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 8:41 am to slackhouse)
I dont think Krag has been that bad. At one time, he was a pretty big dog for recruiting as well. Not sure if he is still doing so.
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moneyg
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 8:42 am to slackhouse)
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I like Mett a lot and think he has great potential. But, he was still overthrowing WRs, RBs, TEs and stuck in quick sand in the pocket the last half of the season.
You said he didn't improve...not that he has room for improvement.
The premise of your argument is clearly wrong, IMO.
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slackhouse
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 10:33 am to moneyg)
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You said he didn't improve...not that he has room for improvement.
The premise of your argument is clearly wrong, IMO
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I like Mett a lot and think he has great potential.
I think that Mett was severely limited by the injuries on the OL and having the worst WR core that we've had in probably 10 years. Despite all of that IMO, he did not improve as a QB during the season.
If you disagree and think that Kragthorpe has done well enough to keep his job, that's fine. I'm okay with people disagreeing with me.
I think that next year will probably be the real test in whether or not Kragthorpe is earning his paycheck. We should be able to tell really quickly (with a much more experienced OL and WR core) whether Mett has improved.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 10:36 am to moneyg)
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I'm not sure how anyone can say that Mettenberger didn't get any better over the 2nd half of the year last year.
heres Metts year on paper.
(completions/attempts, TDs-Ints, total yards, qb rating)
North Texas - 19/26, 1-1, 192 yds, 140.1 qbr
Wash. - 12/18, 1-0, 195 yds, 176.0 qbr
Idaho - 17/22, 2-1, 222 yds, 182.9 qbr
Auburn - 15/27, 0-0, 169 yds, 108.1 qbr
Townson - 15/26, 2-0, 238 yds, 160 qbr
Florida - 11/25, 0-1, 158 yds, 89.1 qbr
Scar - 12/25, 0-1, 148 yds, 89.7 qbr
A&M - 11/29, 1-0, 97 yds, 77.4 qbr
bama - 24/35, 1-0, 298 yds, 149.5 qbr
Miss St. - 19/30, 2-0, 273 yds, 161.8 qbr
Ole Miss - 22/37, 0-2, 282 yds, 112.7 qbr
Ark - 16/29, 1-0, 217 yards, 129.4 qbr
he started pretty well but definitely struggled when he got into SEC play and when the OL was in such disaray, but the fact that he bounced back so strong, and that it began against bama, the biggest game of his life against a very good defense, I think says a lot about Metts mental toughness and what Krag can do as a QB coach.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 10:51 am to MastrShake)
i think there is just so much that can be done with Mett.
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Mattamue
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 11:25 am to slackhouse)
Lets sit back and see how krag can develop retting and Jennings. That will give us a good idea. Mett, lee, jj, were all coached by sub par coaches before krag got a hold of them.
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TheDrunkenTigah
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 12:22 pm to slackhouse)
You show me an LSU fan who doesn't appreciate Krag and I'll show you an LSU fan that doesn't read much about recruiting. Fitting, considering Rettig starts his LSU career today.
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 12:23 pm to slackhouse)
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Despite all of that IMO, he did not improve as a QB during the season.
I understood your point, and i wholeheartedly disagree with it.
What people aren't talking about is that Mettenberger went though a season (getting hit and getting pressured as much as he did) that has been known to cause lingering effects on a QB. The fact that he continued to stand in the pocket the way that he did is a testament to him and the coaching that he has received.
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slackhouse
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 12:33 pm to ninthward)
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i think there is just so much that can be done with Mett
after the past 5 years, you really think it's Mett? 
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EarthwormJim
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 12:45 pm to slackhouse)
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after the past 5 years, you really think it's Mett?
Well Krag's only been here 2 years, so why are you suggesting getting rid of him?
Also looking at stats, how can you not see that Mett improved and was one of the best QBs in the SEC in the last month of the season.
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moneyg
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| re: Is it okay to question keeping Kragthorpe on staff? (Posted on 1/15/13 at 1:17 pm to EarthwormJim)
I think Kragthorpe has done a good job. The best case scenario would be to hire a new OC, new OL coach, and move Ensminger to an admin role.
However, the reality is that if someone is going to come in and take control, it's very possible that someone is going to want control over the QB responsibilities.
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