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tduecen
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Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


If you joined during season no need to reply, but many who were here before know what I mean.
This offseason we had thread on thread about LSU players going pro and it was a good thing then but now a bad one?
We discussed Ford, Ware, Mingo, Montogomery, Logan, Faulk, Reid, and knew TM7 wasn't coming back. We also said depending on their year a few more could go and that Wing would because he hated school. Well guess what it happened and now the board is in a meltdown mode.

Are there a few surprises yeah but still we talked about 6-8 players leaving prior to season so shouldn't this be a good thing?









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yeauxkneauxit
LSU Fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2007
695 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


The real question might be this....Is it a bad thing that these guys are at LSU and are actually being drafted?

I sort of like having players that are good enough to be selected to play at the next level.






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ready4something
LSU Fan
virginia beach
Member since Jul 2008
5795 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


I dont know what the complaints about ford and ware are...Les proved he was phasing them out of the offense. Chris Faulk,,,,why come back to get hurt. same for the other folks. I think it clears up some positions and allows les to concentrate on a corp of players vice trying to play everybody,,thus messing up the flow of the offense...





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elprez00
New Orleans Saints Fan
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
11543 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


Because people on this board will use anything to claim a big conspiracy just to hate on Les Miles.







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1984Tiger
LSU Fan
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
4981 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


Catastrophe Syndrome ... LSU fans are notorious for it.





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RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
87579 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


Well, you kind of hope to hear a kid come back and say they want to stay another year and help LSU win a championship, they enjoy it and want to get all they can out of their senior year.

It ain't the leaving, it's the "not staying."






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coldhotwings
Temple Fan
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6357 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


I think it's just the same group of people finding something to bitch about. None of the people leaving surprised me except for Faulk. But even Faulk's reason makes more sense to me now. When Miles visited him to discuss possible early entry, Faulk kept bringing up how this could turn into another Ciron Black situation. Black's knees got so badly damaged that he was no longer draftable by the end of his senior year.





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MaravichManiac
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2009
731 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


Only time will tell if its a "good thing". It's good from a recruiting perspective because the coaches can sell the NFL pipeline to recruits. But it will hurt this season losing so many big time contributors, with many unproven guys stepping into starting roles (espically on the D line).

I personally think many of the guys leaving didn't play to their full potential this season because they already made up their mind to enter the draft before the season started, except Minter and Logan. Those two played their way into the draft and should go after such stellar years.







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jrodLSUke
LSU Fan
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re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


The only real surprise is that all of the NFL caliber juniors left.

I was hoping at least one or two would stay. But I wish them all luck.

As to the crazy posting: the Rant is gonna rant. They mad.






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RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
87579 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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I think it's just the same group of people finding something to bitch about.


Yeah, because it's so unnatural to want quality players to stay. I think some people are so obssesed with ranters bitching they have become what they hate.






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coldhotwings
Temple Fan
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6357 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


It's one thing to be concerned but too many take it to a another level as if the locker room is imploding. If you can't look at the different threads and tell the difference between a concerned outlook on the depth chart and just plain hatred toward the staff then I don't know what to tell ya.





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RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
87579 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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It's one thing to be concerned but too many take it to a another level as if the locker room is imploding.



Probably isn't 1% of the fan base who thinks that. Don't waste your time with them






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Lonnie4LSU
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5496 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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It's one thing to be concerned but too many take it to a another level as if the locker room is imploding. If you can't look at the different threads and tell the difference between a concerned outlook on the depth chart and just plain hatred toward the staff then I don't know what to tell ya.


If a player decides its in his own best interest to go pro, then he should go pro.

You hate to lose talent, but why is it somehow bad for LSU to be seen sending football players to the next level?

Amusing thing is...if we didn't have players leaving early, you would see threads asking why.







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graychef
George Mason Fan
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Member since Jun 2008
16390 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


I think it's because the team lost three games. The fans think the players owe them a better season before moving on. I wish them well.





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1984Tiger
LSU Fan
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
4981 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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Amusing thing is...if we didn't have players leaving early, you would see threads asking why.

Fact ... there would be people questioning the talent level because Miles didn't "develop" NFL caliber players.






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Manswers
LSU Fan
Ann Arbor
Member since Feb 2009
590 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


I don't think anyone is "obsessed" with the nonsense that has been posted on here for the last week. A lot of the comments have lacked any sense of perspective or maturity and were overly emotional. Especially given the great recruiting classes LSU keeps bringing in, I don't understand how anyone considers this a program in decline. There is no catastrophe about to happen. People have a right to vent but I'm tired of wading through the nonsense to find meaningful updates and insights into the program. For all of Miles' oddities he has gotten results. He's had a 7 year run where in his worst season the team won 8 games. He's also won a BCS title, 2 SEC championships and made it to another BCS title game. No one other than Saban and Meyer can cite similar accomplishments over the last 7 years. He's earned the right to call his own shots and not have someone "force" him to make changes to his staff. For those who want to see him gone because you want the next Saban, you simply don't have the case to make at this point.





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RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
87579 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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Amusing thing is...if we didn't have players leaving early, you would see threads asking why.



It's the sheer volume that is worrisome. Not easy to replace that kind of talent on a team that just lost 3 games. It's reasonable to think it could be an issue down the road.






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coldhotwings
Temple Fan
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6357 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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Probably isn't 1% of the fan base who thinks that. Don't waste your time with them


That's why I said it's the same group of people finding something to bitch about. That 1% likes to start end-of-LSU-football threads anytime they can find something to cling on to.






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H-Town Tiger
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Member since Nov 2003
42441 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


The thing that gets overlooked is 6 of the guys leaving early are 4 year guys. Faulk, Ford, Logan, Mingo, Minter and Montgomery all red shirted as freshman. That are leaving early in the sense that they could play another year, but 5 years is not the norm. This is why I'm pretty much against red shirting. Except for QB's and maybe some OL, its a waste. Let them play.

The one guy that wasn't really discussed was Minter and he had a monster season, plus he's already graduated. He is not going to raise his draft stock (ask Matt Barkley about that).






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1984Tiger
LSU Fan
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
4981 posts

re: Question, why are people upset with Juniors leaving when many were expected?


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It's reasonable to think it could be an issue down the road.

It will likely be an issue next year. A lot of potential Senior leadership bolting, which will leave a void, specifically on Defense. Hopefully someone (Loston?) steps up early.






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