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Why does the NRA want to prevent research into firearms? Perhaps it was Dr. Arthur Kellermann's study on the risks versus the benefits of having guns in the home, which would've brought the NRA to its knees? Guess the NRA doesn't want their toys taken away.
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In the wake of the shootings in Tucson, the familiar questions inevitably resurfaced: Are communities where more people carry guns safer or less safe? Does the availability of high-capacity magazines increase deaths? Do more rigorous background checks make a difference?

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The reality is that even these and other basic questions cannot be fully answered, because not enough research has been done. And there is a reason for that. Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work. “We’ve been stopped from answering the basic questions,” said Mark Rosenberg, former director of the National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, part of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which was for about a decade the leading source of financing for firearms research. Chris Cox, the N.R.A.’s chief lobbyist, said his group had not tried to squelch genuine scientific inquiries, just politically slanted ones. “Our concern is not with legitimate medical science,” Mr. Cox said. “Our concern is they were promoting the idea that gun ownership was a disease that needed to be eradicated.” The amount of money available today for studying the impact of firearms is a fraction of what it was in the mid-1990s, and the number of scientists toiling in the field has dwindled to just a handful as a result, researchers say. The dearth of money can be traced in large measure to a clash between public health scientists and the N.R.A. in the mid-1990s. At the time, Dr. Rosenberg and others at the C.D.C. were becoming increasingly assertive about the importance of studying gun-related injuries and deaths as a public health phenomenon, financing studies that found, for example, having a gun in the house, rather than conferring protection, significantly increased the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance. Alarmed, the N.R.A. and its allies on Capitol Hill fought back. The injury center was guilty of “putting out papers that were really political opinion masquerading as medical science,” said Mr. Cox, who also worked on this issue for the N.R.A. more than a decade ago. Initially, pro-gun lawmakers sought to eliminate the injury center completely, arguing that its work was “redundant” and reflected a political agenda. When that failed, they turned to the appropriations process. In 1996, Representative Jay Dickey, Republican of Arkansas, succeeded in pushing through an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the disease control centers’ budget, the very amount it had spent on firearms-related research the year before. “It’s really simple with me,” Mr. Dickey, 71 and now retired, said in a telephone interview. “We have the right to bear arms because of the threat of government taking over the freedoms that we have.” The Senate later restored the money but designated it for research on traumatic brain injury. Language was also inserted into the centers’ appropriations bill that remains in place today: “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.” The prohibition is striking, firearms researchers say, because there are already regulations that bar the use of C.D.C. money for lobbying for or against legislation. No other field of inquiry is singled out in this way. In the end, researchers said, even though it is murky what exactly is allowed under this provision and what is not, the upshot is clear inside the centers: the agency should tread in this area only at its own peril. “They had a near-death experience,” said Dr. Arthur Kellermann, whose study on the risks versus the benefits of having guns in the home became a focal point of attack by the N.R.A. In the years since, the C.D.C. has been exceedingly wary of financing research focused on firearms. In its annual requests for proposals, for example, firearms research has been notably absent. Gail Hayes, spokeswoman for the centers, confirmed that since 1996, while the agency has issued requests for proposals that include the study of violence, which may include gun violence, it had not sent out any specifically on firearms.


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What a load of bull. You can't stymie social science research. There is a lot of publicly available information and anyone who wants to do this kind of research can do it.

Sounds more like someone wants to manufacture an excuse for the fact that there isn't scientific evidence to support their agenda.






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The NRA was shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you that in their recent meeting Joe Biden wanted to talk about gun control.

Wayne LaPierre already has the answer to gun violence, so there's no point to further investigation. It's all about VIDEO GAMES, you see.






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Are communities where more people carry guns safer or less safe?


I bet the gun violence correlation with negroes is much higher than the correlation to guns in a community.

Is the NAACP styming research on the benefits of negroes in communities?






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I bet the gun violence correlation with negroes is much higher than the correlation to guns in a community.



you just made his head explode






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N.R.A. Stymies Firearms Research, Scientiest Say
What a bunch of whiny little girls. The Big Bad NRA is keeping you from doing the research that comes from information that is available to anyone that wants it? Damn! You want to do the research about something you are so passionate about? Raise the dang money! I suspect they fear what the research would show so they would rather just point and whine at the NRA.






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Dont feed the trolls.





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Raise the dang money!


Doesn't even need money. The information is readily available. The OP just needs to put forth the effort. Maybe take a class in methodology and a class in statistics if he hasn't already.

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I suspect they fear what the research would show so they would rather just point and whine at the NRA.


I kige this. Basically anti-science flat earthers...instead of accepting the facts, they want to blame someone for the data not showing what they want it to show.






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What a load of bull. You can't stymie social science research.
Yep. A complete load of horse shite.

What? Is America the only place in the world that can do such research?

People who believe stuff like this are fricking idiot lemmings.






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You can't stymie social science research


Well, actually you can because most of it is government funded.
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In 1996, Representative Jay Dickey, Republican of Arkansas, succeeded in pushing through an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the disease control centers’ budget, the very amount it had spent on firearms-related research the year before. “It’s really simple with me,” Mr. Dickey, 71 and now retired, said in a telephone interview. “We have the right to bear arms because of the threat of government taking over the freedoms that we have.” The Senate later restored the money but designated it for research on traumatic brain injury. Language was also inserted into the centers’ appropriations bill that remains in place today: “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

Lobbyists don't want government money spent on firearms research even though it's an extremely important realm of public health. If these studies were allowed to persist then people may become educated. The NRA wants to keep people out of the know. They want to keep people ignorant and numb to any such studies.

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There is a lot of publicly available information and anyone who wants to do this kind of research can do it.

There is some publicly available information, however, it's highly difficult and financially futile to create any new information without funding.

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Sounds more like someone wants to manufacture an excuse for the fact that there isn't scientific evidence to support their agenda.


Ignorance is bliss for gun lovers I suppose.






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I bet the gun violence correlation with negroes is much higher than the correlation to guns in a community. Is the NAACP styming research on the benefits of negroes in communities?






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Well, actually you can because most of it is government funded.


Well y'all sure as frick shouldn't have a problem with that now should you?

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Ignorance


I think you found your own problem






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it's highly difficult and financially futile to create any new information without funding.


Not true. PhD students are frequently dirt poor but they manage to do original research. If you truly want to know whether loose gun laws result in more crime, you just have to put in the effort to do the research and create a simple statistical model. Crime rates are public information. You could even get a few like-minded people to help you with the research. All it takes is a willingness to do the work--oh wait, I'm talking to a lib here. Nevermind.






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I bet the gun violence correlation with negroes is much higher than the correlation to guns in a community.


Serious question. Which of the following would reduce the murder rate in America more.

1) All the gun contol laws that a majority of democrats would vote for pass

or

2)A law is passed saying no negro male can live withing 5 miles of another human being.







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What? Is America the only place in the world that can do such research?


If you want to do a study on firearm safety in America, it would be a little foolish to conduct such a study in a foreign country. I guess that doesn't make much sense to you does it?

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People who believe stuff like this are fricking idiot lemmings.


So everyone that reads the New York Times is an idiot lemming You rednecks crack me up.






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So everyone that reads the New York Times is an idiot lemming You rednecks crack me up.
Does EVERYONE who reads the NYT believe this hack shit? Is that your position?

Redneck my ass. I forgot more about life than you know.






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If you want to do a study on firearm safety in America, it would be a little foolish to conduct such a study in a foreign country. I guess that doesn't make much sense to you does it?


Actually, it doesn't. Someone in Canada or England or Australia could easily access the necessary data. Proper methodology is basically the same. The laws of mathematics are the same. They could even use that information to guide their own government's policies.







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If you want to do a study on firearm safety in America, it would be a little foolish to conduct such a study in a foreign country. I guess that doesn't make much sense to you does it?
You're the fricking moron. If you believe there is no avaialable private money to fund such research given the popularity of your idiotic anti-gun bullshite, then you're dumber than the OP indicated.

How the frick much do you think it would cost to do this research? Good fricking God. You goddamned people must live under a rock.






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NRA is a pretty powerful organization. As we have learned even many high-ranking Democrats are controlled by them.

What is this 'existing threat from the Federal government' to take out guns all about? How long has it existed?






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