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ShortyRob 
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| Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:50 am)
Is there a better example of how fricking retarded our government is becoming? Oh sure. It may sound like it's reasonable initially because hey, more miles = more use and so those guys ought to pay more. Right?
But wait a fricking second. We already have gas taxes and unless you are a fricking retard, it doesn't take much to figure out that THOSE tax us by the mile driven!!!
Ahhh. But there's the rub. They want you to buy cars with every better gas mileage(or non gas burners) and so now, the govt is like, "frick, we still need to leech these frickers.
This is a great example of why targetted taxes are goddamned stupid. Just tax us the amount you need to run the fricking place and then spend it on what you need. I don't go out and get one job for the mortgage, one for the electric bill and one for the water bill. I manage to divide what I make to pay these bills.
Targeted taxes are simply govt's way of fooling idiot citizens. They tax the frick out of you but then, when something needs to be funded, they pass a targeted tax for THAT and we, like goddamned idiots, say, "OK, as long as it pays for X." What a bunch of happy horse shite.
American citizens are goddamned idiots.
That is all.
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TigerintheNO
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:10 am to ShortyRob)
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Is there a better example of how fricking retarded our government is becoming? Oh sure. It may sound like it's reasonable initially because hey, more miles = more use and so those guys ought to pay more. Right?
But wait a fricking second. We already have gas taxes and unless you are a fricking retard, it doesn't take much to figure out that THOSE tax us by the mile driven!!!
Are you opposed to sales taxes?
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ShortyRob
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Savannah, GA
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:17 am to TigerintheNO)
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Are you opposed to sales taxes?
WTF are you babbling about.
They ALREADY tax us by the mile. Gas taxes tax us by the mile
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Revelator
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 4:55 am to ShortyRob)
I don't understand the mindset of any individual that would say its ok to raise taxes on anything. The gov. Has proven time and again that they are fiscally incompotent and the more taxes they get, the more they will waste. Giving the gov. more money from taxes is like giving your crazy alcoholic uncle a fifth of whiskey.
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MikeBRLA
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:22 am to ShortyRob)
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They ALREADY tax us by the mile. Gas taxes tax us by the mile
Exactly. It's already an excise tax.
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:28 am to ShortyRob)
That's some bullshite
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Cold Pizza 
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:36 am to ShortyRob)
Gas taxes are a great incentive to reduce gas use. They're perfect as a consumption tax. If you're into that shite. Which I'm not.
If these people want less gas use, and tax revenue is too low, they should just raise gas taxes. Of course they won't do this because they'll get their balls cut off.
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lsuroadie
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:51 am to ShortyRob)
OP left out that there is talk in SOME state govt's to electronically monitor and record miles driven and then off of that number levy a tax.
Not just a gas tax
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KeyserSoze999
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:58 am to lsuroadie)
Guess I'll have to stop driving across town and patronizing titty bars and giving dollar bills to those who don't pay taxes and accumulate food stamps out the Ying yang 
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Bestbank Tiger 
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Member since Jan 2005
16035 posts
| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:06 am to KeyserSoze999)
I guess they don't really believe in global warming, because this will greatly increase America's global footprint. Eliminate the savings from driving a more efficient vehicle and a LOT of people are going to just go back to gas guzzlers.
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ForeLSU
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:14 am to ShortyRob)
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But wait a fricking second. We already have gas taxes and unless you are a fricking retard, it doesn't take much to figure out that THOSE tax us by the mile driven!!!
A mileage based system is much more effective and equitable as a user fee, which is what the fuel tax is designed to be. Maintenance and expansion of the highway system is more directly correlated to miles driven than gallons pumped.
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Bestbank Tiger
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:20 am to ForeLSU)
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Maintenance and expansion of the highway system is more directly correlated to miles driven than gallons pumped.
Not as much as you'd think. More efficient vehicles are usually smaller and lighter, so they put less wear on the roads. The larger and heavier the vehicle, the more strain it puts on the infrastructure ... and the more gallons it uses to drive the same distance.
A mileage based system would cause owners of sedans to overpay and owners of SUVs & trucks to underpay. It would also increase fuel demand which means higher gas prices, and as a nice bonus it means more money flowing to the Saudis so they can fund terrorism.
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Kashonly
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:25 am to ShortyRob)
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We already have gas taxes and unless you are a fricking retard
that's a tax for the roads you use and the pollution
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Taxing Motorists by the mile driven
probably just an easier way to get the racist commuter.....leaves the city for Whiteflightistan and all his taxes go to that locale(say Mandeville) vs the place that he works that generates the income(say New Orleans)
You all hate it that 3rd world people come here, make money, and send it somewhere else....but when it's Racist White people taking money from business centers that are more diverse.....that's okay? Typicritical
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Bestbank Tiger
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:29 am to Kashonly)
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and the pollution
Another good point. Even if you're a global warming skeptic, automobiles still create other types of pollution. A mileage tax doesn't create any cost for the driver for driving a less efficient vehicle, even though that driver is causing greater externalities.
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ForeLSU
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:29 am to Bestbank Tiger)
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Not as much as you'd think. More efficient vehicles are usually smaller and lighter, so they put less wear on the roads. The larger and heavier the vehicle, the more strain it puts on the infrastructure ... and the more gallons it uses to drive the same distance.
A mileage based system would cause owners of sedans to overpay and owners of SUVs & trucks to underpay.
rates could be set accordingly though, or some small amount of gas tax could still be used to promote efficiency...in addition, expansion/re-routing to changing demands is also a factor, not just maintenance.
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It would also increase fuel demand which means higher gas prices
how would it increase demand? If anything it will yield a more effective system so that one knows the exact "fee" they're paying to drive a certain distance.
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ForeLSU
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:31 am to Bestbank Tiger)
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A mileage tax doesn't create any cost for the driver for driving a less efficient vehicle, even though that driver is causing greater externalities.
so you're in favor of sin taxes....
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Bestbank Tiger
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:34 am to ForeLSU)
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so you're in favor of sin taxes....
No. Externalities are (in this context) costs imposed on nonconsenting third parties. If you create more pollution, you should pay for it. And it should be no more or no less than the cost you imposed on someone else.
That's different from a beer tax because drinking a beer doesn't cost anyone else anything. A "sin tax" in that case is just a moral imposition, which the government shouldn't make.
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SilverSpurs13
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:39 am to ShortyRob)
We liberals are addicted to taxes.
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ForeLSU
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:50 am to Bestbank Tiger)
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No. Externalities are (in this context) costs imposed on nonconsenting third parties. If you create more pollution, you should pay for it. And it should be no more or no less than the cost you imposed on someone else.
from an emissions standpoint, assuming both our vehicles are meeting emission standards, then I'm being punished strictly because you get 3 more miles to the gallon. In fact, it's possible that I maintain my vehicle much better than you, and you're emitting more shite than I am while getting better mileage.
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Champagne 
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Member since Oct 2007
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| re: Taxing Motorists by the mile driven (Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:18 am to ShortyRob)
FedGov needs revenue, dude. FedGov will find new ways to tax in order to generate this revenue.
Carbon tax, Car mileage tax, Value Added Tax . . . all of these are in our future.
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