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Article on CLM from The Advocate


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Key quotes by CLM over underclassmen going pro early, key losses (Bama in 2011, 2012 and Auburn in 2010) and the state of the program:

“I like the state of the program,” Miles said in his first interview addressing the underclassmen leaving. “I like the fact that we send guys to the NFL early and recruit guys with the potential to go to the NFL early.”



Miles happy with where Tigers are headed

In the days since LSU’s disappointing 10-3 season concluded with a disappointing last-second loss to Clemson in the Chick-fil-A Bowl, the roster of veteran Tigers returning for next season has shrunk on an almost-daily basis.

A record 10 underclassmen — 11 if you count cornerback Tyrann Mathieu, who was kicked off the team in August—– have chosen early entrance into the NFL over continuing their LSU careers.

The departures — most of them long expected and accepted, some more curious — have invited questions as to whether the program is headed in the wrong direction and is driving away talented players almost as quickly as it recruits them.

But as the days-long rain continued to fall outside of his office Thursday, head coach Les Miles said the sky is not falling with it.

The LSU program is poised to continue to compete at the highest level, and the early departures, though more than even he anticipated, will be mitigated next month when the Tigers sign another star-studded recruiting class filled with players likely to graduate to the NFL before getting their LSU diplomas.

It comes with the territory.

“I like the state of the program,” Miles said in his first interview addressing the underclassmen leaving. “I like the fact that we send guys to the NFL early and recruit guys with the potential to go to the NFL early.”

Many of the underclassmen’s departures were fait accompli as soon as the bowl game ended Dec. 31. Defensive ends Barkevious Mingo and Sam Montgomery are projected to be first-round draft picks. Linebacker Kevin Minter, the team’s Most Valuable Player, and safety Eric Reid, a consensus All-American, figure to be drafted in the early rounds, as could defensive tackle Bennie Logan.

Running backs Spencer Ware and Michael Ford were stuck in a logjam in a talented backfield with a limited opportunity to improve their NFL stock by playing another year in college.

Cornerback Tharold Simon and offensive tackle Chris Faulk — a potential early pick before he suffered a season-ending knee injury in this season’s opener — appear to be rolling the dice more than the others. Punter Brad Wing, who was suspended for the bowl game for violating a team rule, was the only third-year sophomore to declare early.

“I could go down every guy and I could tell you that the reasons are personally compelling,” Miles said. “Were they my decisions? No, but frankly I understood them.

“I think some guys are looking forward to having great and long pro careers and some guys are trying to optimize a lower position in a draft spot and maximize the number of years they get to be there.”

Miles said it’s hard to pinpoint “the right round to leave early for,” but the reality is any player taken after the second round will receive minimal guaranteed money.

On the other hand, the players also see a former teammate such as running back Stevan Ridley, who left early after the 2010 season, was drafted in the third round and is now the leading rusher for the New England Patriots.

“Some guys think they may never be most optimally positioned for the NFL and this may be the best that they’ve got,” Miles said. “It may be bad but they think it’s the best that they have.”

Miles said he points out the value of getting a degree before leaving for the NFL as well as trying to educate the players on whether leaving early might cost them money in the long run by preventing them from increasing their draft stock with another year of development.

“It’s very difficult to explain to a guy that has the potential to earn $300,000 a year, $500,000 a year, $600,000 a year, (though) very little (is) guaranteed, that that’s not really good money,” Miles said. “It’s hard to explain, because I think it’s really good money, and I would have liked to have made that in a year when I was coming out of college.”

Miles said he knew when he signed the highly regarded classes of 2009 and 2010 that many would leave early. Faulk, Ford, Logan, Minter and Montgomery redshirted in 2009 and were joined by the next year’s class, which included Mathieu, Reid, Simon and Ware, all of whom contributed in the Cotton Bowl victory at the end of the 2010 season.

He said he expects the new class to have a similar impact.

“We anticipated the departures, to a certain extent, and we recruited guys right along that we anticipate would come in have a great opportunity to play very early and play big roles on next year’s team,” Miles said. “We’re right in position to add to a team that’s got a nice talent core, but yet needs some very strong, very capable, very talented newcomers to make an impact.”

The Alabama loss clearly still bothers Miles.

“If the head coach could have found a way to get a first down and eliminate about the last minute-30, I think we’re competing for the national championship again this year,” Miles said. “But I think people lose sight of what’s really going on.

“We’re playing against the finest teams in the country, and you know what? We had every opportunity to win, and I think that’s kind of where you want your program to be, don’t you?”

Miles was asked if he blamed himself for the latest loss to Alabama.

“I want to serve my team and my coaches and the people that show up in that stadium,” he said. “I always want me to give us every opportunity at victory, and I think we did, to a certain extent, but I’d like to have a couple of calls back. So I fell short. Blame me for that.”

Miles admitted there’s “a need to execute this offense in a more effective manner.” He added, “that’s something we’re all looking to get accomplished.”

Asked if there might be any potential changes to his coaching staff, Miles said: “As you know, I’m not about to answer that question.”

Miles said it’s possible “a number of guys” could transfer, but he wouldn’t elaborate.

Once the new recruits arrive and the draft has passed and it’s time to prepare for next season, Miles said he expects things to look different.

“I think we’re close,” he said. “Some people would like to say, ‘They’re further away.’ But that’s perception. It’s not in the hearts and minds of the guys that are playing back in here.”




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baytiger
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re: Article on CLM from The Advocate


That's the Advocate, not ESPN.





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mtheob17
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thanks...i changed the title...







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Interesting...especially the question about offensive staff changes. I would surmise that the fact he did not directly rule out staff changes is indicative that there may be staff changes.

We have seen the exact same responses in the past right before staff changes took place.

I wonder if he is waiting for the recruiting season to end to make changes?






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mtheob17
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No comment is better than stating that the staff would stay the same...

Rantards may get their wish sooner than we know it.



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Datbayoubengal
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Interesting...especially the question about offensive staff changes. I would surmise that the fact he did not directly rule out staff changes is indicative that there may be staff changes.



This is what i'm hoping for. I know this is not the pros, but when the team sucks on either side of the ball for more than a year(even as short as one year), somebody is getting fired. You can't be Mr. Nice Guy in a management position, and when it's time to make changes, make them.






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Asked if there might be any potential changes to his coaching staff, Miles said: “As you know, I’m not about to answer that question.”







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Miles said it’s possible “a number of guys” could transfer, but he wouldn’t elaborate.


For Miles, this pretty much a guarantee that chnages will be made to the staff.






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dgnx6
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How can people not like him. He said everything rt, even puts blame on himself, was expecting early departures and recruited accordingly, knows the offense must get better. What sticks out is the putting team in place for victory. And he's done that yet fans lose sight of that and say we win in spite of miles. We won an sec championship and played in a bcs championship because of him. Not in spite of him. If that were the case, then why didn't other teams as talented as Lsu, win the sec last year? Why haven't teams like fsu, ut and usc not been in the bcs championship every year? Those are the most talented teams in their conference and in the country.





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dgnx6
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“I think we’re close,” he said. “Some people would like to say, ‘They’re further away.’ But that’s perception. It’s not in the hearts and minds of the guys that are playing back in here.”


Oh and the doom and gloom frickers need to read this and realize they don't play.






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Coach reads the rant.





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Asked if there might be any potential changes to his coaching staff, Miles said: “As you know, I’m not about to answer that question.”


Meaning no, he wanted more time to pass hoping the matter of a new OC would die down.






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JawjaTigah
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Why don't...
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other teams as talented as Lsu, win the sec last year? Why haven't teams like fsu, ut and usc not been in the bcs championship every year? Those are the most talented teams in their conference and in the country.
I think what you're trying to communicate here is a refutation of the "win on talent alone" critique of Les Miles. And you make a good point when you say...
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We won an sec championship and played in a bcs championship because of him. Not in spite of him. If that were the case, then why didn't other teams as talented as Lsu, win...


And yet, as compelling as your viewpoint is, I am struck by a conundrum. If Les Miles is far-seeing enough to state he was expecting early departures and recruited accordingly (as he said), and that the offense must get better (as he said), then why? Why does he not also see that the way to help the offense get better is to hire a real OC and not meddle with the offense? Why does he not see that the only one preventing this from becoming "so" is himself and his unwillingness to simply find and hire a really good OC. And then like he did with J. Chavis, let him do his thing with no interference. It doesn't take a crystal ball. It isn't rocket science. It's just common sense.

So I must surmise this is a major blind spot for Les Miles. Or else that he is content with the status quo and willing to "blow" a couple of big games every year.



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Why does he not also see that the way to help the offense get better is to hire a real OC and not meddle with the offense?


OR...

Maybe just maybe...

He does see but does not run his mouth off about it... rather just quietly behind the scenes addresses the issues.

In truth we do not know what he is "doing" about it because there is a lack of information. I for one intend to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves me wrong.

Here is hoping he does not prove me wrong.






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Oh and the doom and gloom frickers need to read this and realize they don't play.


Agreed






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“I like the state of the program,” Miles said


Stopped reading here. FEMA Director Mike Brown thought he was doing a good job following Katrina as well (right before he was fired), but that didn't change the reality of the fact that he failed miserably.



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“I like the state of the program,” Miles said


Meaning: "I am very happy with my pay raise and extension and I think I can milk at least another three years from these suckers."






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WALL OF TEXT!!!





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How can people not like him. He said everything rt, even puts blame on himself
because he is the blame you frickin moron. With idiots like you Miles will always get a pass.
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"I think we're close" he said.
won't be any closer than last season and this season. People are tired of these lame arse excuses! I wish you people had let him move on to Michigan the season he was planning to, but begged him to stay like morons.



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Asked if there might be any potential changes to his coaching staff, Miles said: “As you know, I’m not about to answer that question
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Miles said it’s possible “a number of guys” could transfer, but he wouldn’t elaborate.



How do ya'll interpret this "Leslian" statement?






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