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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 10:39 am to shel311)
so an interview, not testimony
like i said earlier in this thread. this is a "soft" science right now. the medical community does not agree on the issues
the link could be real or it could be another "silicone breast implant" situation
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H-Town Tiger 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro)
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the link could be real or it could be another "silicone breast implant" situation
That's what i was kind of wondering myself. The plaintiffs will always say they lied and have an incentive to cover up the evidence. Technically they do, but the other side also has an incentive to jump on the first sign and say it is a link. I also love a bunch of 50 y/olds saying they might not have played if the knew the risks, at 50 maybe not, at 18, 22, don't make me laugh 
In the end, I agree with the Grantland piece a while back, what will be hurt the most is the lower levels because of insurance, that will affect poorer communities more.
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ELVIS U 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 10:46 am to boosiebadazz)
The only solution is to eliminate tackling and make it flag football, which no one is going to watch. Boxing, MMA, and other contact sports have the same problem. It could be bad for amateur sports, but professionals take the risk and get paid for it.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 10:52 am to H-Town Tiger)
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I also love a bunch of 50 y/olds saying they might not have played if the knew the risks, at 50 maybe not, at 18, 22, don't make me laugh
i was going to bring this up with the OP in mind. junior seau is a bad poster boy for the plaintiffs
that guy played fricking injured all the time with injuries he knew about 100% with a knowledge that he could make them worse
dude loved him some football, even if he knew he was fricking up his body. i mean he played until he was really fricking old, too
it's hard to look back in hindsight (even if he were alive) and say he would choose not to play football. i'm trying to think of an interview from a few years ago about sleep apnea (which used to be the "next big thing" in football litigation) and there was a lineman basically saying, "yeah i know i'm cutting my life short but i'm doing it to provide a lot of money for my family"
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Sophandros 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 12:37 pm to ELVIS U)
Only a simpleton believes that.
One solution is some of the rules changes. Another is a culture change.
One rules change that would also alter behavior and reduce head trauma is to require players to wrap up or at least attempt to wrap up in a tackle. At all levels of football.
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SoFla Tideroller 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 1:47 pm to Sophandros)
Am I the only one that thinks these lawsuits are a slam-dunk victory for the NFL? If I am an NFL attorney, I'm putting one of these players on the stand, "Mr. Player, did you play pee-wee football? High School? College? How many blows to the head did you suffer in all the practices and games prior to you ever signing an NFL contract? Yet you are certain that this irrevocable damage occurre solely while under the employ of my client?"
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lsuguy13
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:59 pm to slackhouse)
The players know what they are signing up for. Its a violent sport
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LSUsCRYSTALball
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:39 pm to boosiebadazz)
Of course
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Bestbank Tiger 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:44 pm to LSUsCRYSTALball)
They should go back to leather helmets. Players will start keeping their heads up and tackling properly.
The plastic shell doesn't do much except let the helmet be used as a weapon.
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molsusports
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:27 pm to Bestbank Tiger)
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They should go back to leather helmets. Players will start keeping their heads up and tackling properly.
The NFL and other levels of football started using metal/composite material helmets instead of leather helmets to stop people from dying of injuries like skull fractures.
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memphis tiger
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:52 pm to boosiebadazz)
WHat percentage of former NFL players who DON'T Kill themselves show evidence of CTE on autopsy?
What percentage of former NFL players who go on to live normal lives after football show evidence of CTE on autopsy?
What percentage of former NFL players the DO commit suicide AND have signs of CTE on autopsy also have a history of steroid/other drug abuse, financial troubles and other turmoil in their personal lives?
While I am not discounting CTE as a real phenomenon, the actual real evidence that that is the cause of these suicides is speculative at best.
The studies seem to have been designed with the conclusion already in mind. There also does not seem to be a very good "control" group either.
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molsusports
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:01 pm to memphis tiger)
I think your criticism is good and your skepticism is healthy but the way to get those answers would be to have everyone autopsied... and the ex-players believe they are still using their brains
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Lsuhoohoo
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:14 pm to boosiebadazz)
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This is why Goodell hammered the Saints.
I'm not gonna say nothing shady was going on behind closed doors at the Saints facilities but I also think when Roger got wind of it, he started looking into it and saw it as an out for protecting the shield. Blow it up and make a big to do about unprecedented penalties and how the NFL is making a major stand on player safety.
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20MuleTeam
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:15 pm to boosiebadazz)
Hockey is better anyway
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St Augustine
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:16 pm to boosiebadazz)
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This is why Goodell hammered the Saints. It wasn't about punishment for their crime, it was about being able to defend his actions and the league in a massive lawsuit that is coming in 5-10 years.
haven't read anything but the OP...but no shit
eta: this is one of the best threads on here in awhile
This post was edited on 1/10 at 7:24 pm
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memphis tiger
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 7:18 pm to molsusports)
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I think your criticism is good and your skepticism is healthy but the way to get those answers would be to have everyone autopsied... and the ex-players believe they are still using their brains
Not really. Former NFL players who have led normal post-football lives die all the time from other causes. It would probably not take much convincing to get a few families to consent to autopsy.
Besides, my point was that unless you know that those players who live normal lives after football DO NOT have evidence of CTE, how can they definitively say CTE is the cause of these other post-football problems?
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makinskrilla 
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:08 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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if they had brain damage prior to the lie, this would probably hurt their claim. how could they make a claim today that they relied on a lie when they were already suffering from brain damage and couldn't even understand the lie?
Ladies and gentleman, may I present Mr. Saul Goodman.
You da man jake.
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molsusports
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| re: This is really, really bad for the NFL (Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:37 pm to memphis tiger)
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Not really. Former NFL players who have led normal post-football lives die all the time from other causes. It would probably not take much convincing to get a few families to consent to autopsy.
You need more than a few to get statistical significance and you'd need to have good evaluations of their neurological function before death as well IMO
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Besides, my point was that unless you know that those players who live normal lives after football DO NOT have evidence of CTE, how can they definitively say CTE is the cause of these other post-football problems?
You don't show causality in the way you seem to suggest. Not everyone who smokes dies of lung cancer. Not everyone who eats a bad diet and doesn't exercise dies of heart disease.
Presumably not everyone who plays football will develop CTE eventually. But if playing football (or hockey or boxing) causes CTE is a large number of people who play football, hockey, or box then it would still be the cause of neurological disability or death in those people.
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