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| Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:25 pm)
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"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," former Detroit Tigers outfielder Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were."
What really gets me is seeing how some of these players associated with drugs have jumped over many of the greats in our game," Kaline said. "Numbers mean a lot in baseball, maybe more so than in any other sport. And going back to Babe Ruth, and players like Harmon Killebrew and Frank Robinson and Willie Mays, seeing people jump over them with 600, 700 home runs, I don't like to see that.
"I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating," he added. "Numbers are important, but so is integrity and character. Some of these guys might get in someday. But for a year or two, I'm glad they didn't."
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Goose Gossage went even further - he often does.
"I think the steroids guys that are under suspicion got too many votes," he said. "I don't know why they're making this such a question and why there's so much debate. To me, they cheated. Are we going to reward these guys?"
If they let these guys in ever - at any point - it's a big black eye for the Hall and for baseball," Gossage said in a phone interview with The Associated Press. "It's like telling our kids you can cheat, you can do whatever you want, and it's not going to matter."
"I really don't understand it. To me it's cut and dried. They're cheaters," he added. "I think they ought to reinstate these records - (Roger) Maris' record and (Hank) Aaron as our home run champion."
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Wow! Baseball writers make a statement," Hall of Fame reliever Dennis Eckersley wrote on Twitter. "Feels right."
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Hall of Fame pitcher Juan Marichal doesn't see it that way. He thinks Bonds, Clemens and Sosa belong in Cooperstown.
"I think that they have been unfair to guys who were never found guilty of anything," Marichal said. "Their stats define them as immortals. That's the reality and that cannot be denied."
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Hall of Fame slugger Mike Schmidt said that comes with the territory.
"It's not news that Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Palmeiro, and McGwire didn't get in, but that they received hardly any consideration at all. The real news is that Biggio and Piazza were well under the 75 percent needed," Schmidt wrote in an email to the AP.
"Curt Schilling made a good point, everyone was guilty. Either you used PEDs, or you did nothing to stop their use. This generation got rich. Seems there was a price to pay."
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Andre Dawson weighs in:
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“The thing is, I played a long time in the majors, and a couple more in the minors, and I didn’t play with that many Hall of Fame-caliber ballplayers,” Dawson said. “I didn’t play against more than a few Hall of Famers.”
“I’m mad about what they did to the game. I think of Hank (Aaron) and Willie (Mays) and Mickey (Mantle), it makes me really angry,” Dawson said. “We worked really, really hard to get to a certain level. They did it with drugs.”
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papz 
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:26 pm to tduecen)
Easier to say when you're already in.
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:27 pm to tduecen)
Senile old farts who embody the baseball establishment.
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ForeverLSU02 
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:28 pm to tduecen)
Marichal was obviously on juice
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:31 pm to ForeverLSU02)
The older they get, the better they were.
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tduecen
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:33 pm to Baloo)
Kaline comes off as jealous
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:36 pm to tduecen)
Who the hell is Goose Gossage to talk shite about the players in this class? The man has no business being in the Hall of Fame to begin with. Clemens and Bonds were 10x the players he was, roids or not.
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:38 pm to tduecen)
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Hall of Fame reliever Dennis Eckersley wrote on Twitter
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TigerintheNO
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:40 pm to tduecen)
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Kaline comes off as jealous
Don't see it that way, but I will say I don't doubt there have been many days, that he hasn't wished for 1 more HR.
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Dr RC 
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:40 pm to tduecen)
they don't sound bitter or anything 
and whats all this bitching about cheating?
cheating has always been a major part of the game.
I guess they want Red Faber, Stan Covelski, Burleigh Grimes, and Gaylord Perry all booted since they were spitball pitchers?
The character stuff is a joke too. Ty Cobb was a well known racist and uber prick. The dude went into the stands to beat up a man with no hands. He was even implicated in a gambling ring for throwing games that MLB supposedly swept over b/c they didn't want another scandal.
and lets not forget it is well known tons of players as far back as the 50s were popping amphetamines to get an edge.
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:42 pm to Dr RC)
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The character stuff is a joke too. Ty Cobb was a well known racist and uber prick.
Didn't he also murder someone?
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:43 pm to tduecen)
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I think that they have been unfair to guys who were never found guilty of anything
A US Court of Law is hardly the be all, end all on proving who did what.
OJ Simpson was found not guilty of killing his wife and her friend. We all know he did it.
I followed the Clemens and Bonds saga enough to know that those guys are guilty. I saw plenty of proof. Bonds even admitted to using it, he just claimed that he didn't know he was using it. His trainer put some foreign substance in his body that Bonds didn't know what it was.
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:45 pm to tduecen)
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"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," former Detroit Tigers outfielder Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were."
What a doucher
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:45 pm to ProjectP2294)
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Didn't he also murder someone?
No, did he kill someone maybe.
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:47 pm to Dr RC)
Issues off the field should have no bearing on whether or not a player makes the Hall of Fame. Cheating, however, should not be rewarded. Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, McGwire and others like them do not belong in the Hall. I know a lot of people will disagree but I don't care. You don't put known juicers in Cooperstown.
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Tiger1242
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:48 pm to tduecen)
All of these guys are just coming off as annoying and arrogant
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BourgsTheWord
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:48 pm to Tiger1242)
The classy guys are the ones you never hear from.
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Tiger1242
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:49 pm to BourgsTheWord)
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The classy guys are the ones you never hear from.
That's a great point
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:52 pm to ProjectP2294)
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Didn't he also murder someone?
No, that's a myth. Cobb probably only beat the dude into unconsciousness. He thought he killed him when he saw him motionless but I seriously doubt the guy ended up dying. If he did die, there would have been a murder investigation into Cobb but it never happened.
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tduecen
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| re: Hall of Famers Respond About this years non-class (Posted on 1/10/13 at 3:54 pm to RollTide1987)
Cheating has been around in baseball for as long as the game has been played. Different era's used different techniques to cheat.
Ty Cobb shaved his spikes and always went high
Pitchers have used spit balls, sandpaper, and petroleum jelly
Hitters have corked their bats
Players have stolen the catchers signs
People used amphetamines over the years and all
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