This is really, really bad for the NFL - Page 4 - TigerDroppings.com

Posted byMessage
boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
45284 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


and 1983 actions are instances where the government has consented to being sued?

or is that just the actors acting in their official roles and not the government itself?






Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


1983 is an exception created under federal law that allows states to be sued for actions acting in their governmental roles





Back to top
Ric Flair
LSU Fan
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
7141 posts
 Online 

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


My question is, how can they prove that the concussions causing the brain injuries happened while playing in the NFL, and not pee-wee/high school/college football?





Back to top
TheCaterpillar
LSU Fan
Nashville from BR via Oxford
Member since Jan 2004
35671 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


quote:

My question is, how can they prove that the concussions causing the brain injuries happened while playing in the NFL, and not pee-wee/high school/college football?



Good point. Big time college football has plenty of hard hits and concussions.







Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


i'm not going to quote the entire complaint, but it looks like the allegations of fraud are only post-1994

quote:

22. The NFL caused or contributed to the injuries and increased risks to Plaintiffs
through its acts and omissions by, among other things: (a) historically ignoring the true risks of
MTBI in NFL football; (b) failing to disclose the true risks of repetitive MTBI to NFL players; and
(c) since 1994 deliberately creating false scientific studies and spreading misinformation
concerning the cause and effect relation between MTBI in NFL football and latent
neurodegenerative disorders and diseases.


*ETA: the complaint itself notes public studies on this issue are really old

quote:

3. The published medical literature, as detailed later in this Complaint, contains studies of
athletes dating back as far as 1928 demonstrating a scientifically observed link between repetitive
blows to the head and neuro-cognitive problems. The earliest studies focused on boxers, but by the
1950s and 1960s, a substantial body of medical and scientific evidence had been developed specifically
relating to neuro-cognitive injuries in the sport of football.



This post was edited on 1/10 at 9:28 am


Back to top
boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
45284 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


you think this will end up in trial or a massive settlement?





Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


the procedural/standing/peremption issues are going to take like 10 years to sort out before we even know what kind of case this is





Back to top
boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
45284 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


and i have no idea how the NFL protects itself from this in the future

absent of just shutting down, do you think they have a way to protect themselves going forward?

im presuming any waiver will not be honored




This post was edited on 1/10 at 9:44 am


Back to top
CP3LSU25
LSU Fan
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2009
34881 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


College >>> NFL





Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


the NFL just has to show it is taking steps to try to combat the issue. they can't stop injuries, but they can implement rules to lesson the chance of injury and the long-term impacts of head injuries. the complaint actually contains language stating that the NFL did this, but it's claim is that the NFL used it's investigation to create the fake studies and lie to the players (that's why it's only claimed to be from 1994-2010)

paragraph 92 of the complaint lists a bunch of rules put in place for player safety. the claimants are alleging that the NFL assumed a role/duty as the authority in player safety

quote:

90. As a result, the NFL unilaterally assumed a duty to act in the best interests of the
health and safety of NFL players, to provide truthful information to NFL players regarding risks to
their health, and to take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure the safety of players.


quote:

99. Thus, since its inception, and continuing into the present, the NFL has been in a
position that affords it a special relationship to NFL players as the guardian of their health and safety.
For that reason, from its inception and continuing into the present, the NFL owed a duty of reasonable
care to keep NFL players informed of neurological risks, to inform NFL players truthfully, and not to
-24-
mislead NFL players about the risks of permanent neurological damage that can occur from MTBI
incurred while playing football.






Back to top
Dark Tiger
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2006
4494 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


quote:

NFL's done, it's over


Sweet! Now our players will stay all 4 years...



This post was edited on 1/10 at 9:53 am


Back to top
boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
45284 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


so this particular lawsuit is really about the alleged lie and coverup?

that wont be as catastrophic for the NFL.







Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


based on the complaint that's only a small slice, from 1994-onward





Back to top
Northwestern tiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
UT-Southwestern
Member since Oct 2005
16561 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


It is what it is
Making shite load of money playing football has risks, they signed up for it.
NFL should make drafted players sign a wavier explaining the risks of playing football
Goodshit, please don't make football a peewee league






Back to top
Rickety Cricket
Navy Fan
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
33582 posts
 Online 

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


quote:

the procedural/standing/peremption issues are going to take like 10 years to sort out before we even know what kind of case this is

Are the former players bound by the terms of the CBA that they played under? And what about if an individual player played under multiple different CBAs? And what about the Players from different eras who all played under different ones?

NYC defense firms are drooling.






Back to top
jimithing11
Texas Fan
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
15984 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


quote:

Seau


quote:

This is why Goodell hammered the Saints.


link?

Get the frick out






Back to top
shel311
Nicholls St. Fan
Orlando, Florida
Member since Aug 2004
31500 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


quote:

How do we know this?
the part about the NFL hiding it is part of the claims of the players' lawsuits.

The part of the NFL denying it existed, pretty sure there are articles with quotes from the NFL denying it.

I'll try to find them, but I'm on my phone at work, so no promises lol.






Back to top
boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
45284 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


keep thinking checkers while the rest of us discuss chess, kid





Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


well ignoring the possibilities that the NFL lied about its research (that i won't defend the NFL on, on its face, but doesn't appear to be really what this suit is about), that's kind of how i feel

let's say the NFL outlaws any hit above the shoulders

then players will go low and lots of knees will be blown out. then you have a group of plaintiffs down the road suing for not protecting their legs

let's say they outlaw leg hits, and you can only hit between the hips and shoulders. i'm sure repeated blows by 245+ lb freaks isn't good for your internal injuries, so down the road you'll have players suing for internal injuries suffered

it becomes somewhat of an absurd argument when (1) the players themselves admit the research was available from the 20s onward and (2) it's hard to argue that they didn't understand that playing football would lead to injuries

this is like a "soft tissue" matter because the literature on brain injuries is just now developing really well and it's still a "soft" area. i'm not dismissing the real worries that these players have or the injuries they suffer from, but this could be another set of "implant" litigation (aka, turns out to be bogus somewhat)






Back to top
SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
292514 posts

re: This is really, really bad for the NFL


quote:

Are the former players bound by the terms of the CBA that they played under?

that's a major question that may go to the USSC itself

quote:

And what about if an individual player played under multiple different CBAs?

i'm curious about that, too

quote:

And what about the Players from different eras who all played under different ones?

yeah i was making that point earlier. it's a tough issue to sort out






Back to top


Back to top




//