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KeyserSoze999
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As a democratic Republic, the people are in essence Caesar



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We allowed the gov. to take over the schools and fill universities with leftist professors. Throw in left leaning Hollywood propaganda In movies an tv. Finish it off with a left leaning media that spins every story toward their causes and it's easy to see how it was accomplished in one generation.





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thetempleowl
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it's easy to see how it was accomplished in one generation.


More than one generation. These ideas have for the most part been around or decades or over half of century






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More than one generation. These ideas have for the most part been around or decades or over half of century


Yes this change has been coming on for some time but the cultural shift has borne more fruit in this generation.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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I love how dip shite liberals cry for church/state separation, then use bible verses to say we should follow their policies.

I love how dip shite conservatives, ignorant of our history, glorify everything that happened before they achieved consciousness.

Almost all of your list, and much worse, has been going on since the start of this nation.

For "Wealth Redistribution" see Free Silver.

For progressive tax rates, see the nations first Income Tax ca 1862.

As far as gun control, there is currently no national database, so your claim here is specious. However, see the national Firearms Act of 1934.

Talk to Moses about leaving a baby to die.

As far as taxing the church, I think that's better than paying a tax to support a state sponsored church - as happened in this country up until the 1830s. Yes, we had state sponsored churches in this country after the Bill of Rights was signed.

And then the rest of your post degenerates into paranoid delusion with no reference to reality.

Ah yes, the good old days, when we had slaves, and a gold standard that led to a constant boom and bust market cycle with bank runs, children working in coal mines, open sewers, and the government giving away free land...

...it's funny how little you hear conservatives complaining about the government giving away free land.

But if you notice, I am nowhere saying you should follow liberal policies, but you do seem like you could use a little more familiarity with the Good Book.

What if that Levite Woman never put her baby among the reeds on the bank of the Nile?

There would've been no Exodus, and Bob Marley wouldn't have come out with his album.

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Mike da Tigah
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More than one generation. These ideas have for the most part been around or decades or over half of century


Certainly they've been around, just not embraced as they are today.

Heck, just 11 years ago, people were coming out of their skin over the Patriot act, and rightfully so, yet now all of a sudden, you don't even hear it mentioned in the MSM, and no condemnation for Obama in what Bush took hell for and again, rightfully so.








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I don't think it's the O.P. is trying to say things like this didn't occur in times past because of course they did to a lesser extent, but it's the attitude towards these program's that have changed. There was a time in our country that a family and especially a man would have been too proud or embarrassed to accept charity.





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thetempleowl
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Certainly they've been around, just not embraced as they are today


Are you a moron? Most of these ideas have been the law of the land for generations. These are not new ideas.

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Heck, just 11 years ago, people were coming out of their skin over the Patriot act, and rightfully so, yet now all of a sudden, you don't even hear it mentioned in the MSM, and no condemnation for Obama in what Bush took hell for and again, rightfully so.


Ah yes. The ONE single point you raise that actually makes a bit of sense.

But not too much sense. Many of the rights to privacy are rather recent ideas. No place in the constitution really is it stated, but these rights have been inferred by the supreme court. But these ideas are more recent than you think.

Basically it says unreasonable search and seizure and one needs probably cause for a warrant.

The ideas of what unreasonable are and probable cause has been defined over the years.

At first very little was unreasonable. Then it swung the other way. Now it appears to have swung back.

I hate the fact that cops basically can search any car they wish to search. They just get a dog out there and claim the dog found something and that is probable cause.

But heck before that it was even worse.

You need to look into your history here.

And those rights only applied to the federal government. The fourteenth amendment applied some of these protections against the state and local police.






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thetempleowl
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I don't think it's the O.P. is trying to say things like this didn't occur in times past because of course they did to a lesser exten


Uhhhh, wrong. What was the top tax rate in previous years and what is it now?

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but it's the attitude towards these program's that have changed


Again, just not correct. Can you imagine trying to get that top tax rate now?

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There was a time in our country that a family and especially a man would have been too proud or embarrassed to accept charity.


That was not mentioned previously.

That would be another discussion.






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TheJacer
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thetempleowl


Genius.

He asked how we got here and who is to blame, you in your infinite wisdom took the opportunity to point out his idiocy by...not...answering the question at all?

Instead you did three things:

1. Reiterated these things exist (for the most part)

2. Made yourself look silly

3. See number 1

WTG Champ!






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WildTchoupitoulas
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There was a time in our country that a family and especially a man would have been too proud or embarrassed to accept charity.

Here's the thing, what kind of a consumer can a poor man be? Do we really want to remove all of these people from the economy?

No.

That's why we have all of these programs, it's not out of any sympathy for the poor, it's to help grow the economy - as if growing the economy was an end in and of itself rather than a means to an end.






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That's why we have all of these programs, it's not out of any sympathy for the poor, it's to help grow the economy - as if growing the economy was an end in and of itself rather than a means to an end.


How does fostering families that are now on the third generation of welfare stimulate the economy?






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thetempleowl
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He asked how we got here and who is to blame


Dude, you failed reading comprehension 1. Not even 101, but straight up 1.

He said how did we get here "this fast".

I clearly pointed out we did not get here this fast and in fact clearly pointed out that many of the things he is bitching about are much better today than years past.

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TheJacer


You see, this is a problem here. This guy thinks he calls me out and instead he is proven straight up wrong.

You see, making a post like Mike did which is wrong is one thing, but calling someone else wrong about something they post when clearly everyone can see that you are wrong is another issue.

Mike fell into the trap that right wing radio shows are all espousing. It is understandable and thus why I went through and said they were wrong.

You on the other hand made a clear mistake with nowhere to hide. But you will either disappear or obfuscate rather than man up.






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Meauxjeaux
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Wealth redistribution (THEFT)

Luke 3:11. If you have two coats, give one away
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Taxing Americans disproportionately because of their success in life

Mark 12:17 Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
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Delivering a baby and leaving it to die by neglecting it is a right

Exodus 2: Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. 3 But when she could hide him no longer, she got a papyrus basket for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile.
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The merits of communism and socialism, without actually calling it communism or socialism.

Mark 6: Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass. So they sat down in groups of hundreds and fifties. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to his disciples to distribute to the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. They all ate and were satisfied



Curious as to why you brought God into this discussion?

I'm all interested and up in this thread now.



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thetempleowl
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Curious as to why you brought God into this discussion?


I didn't do it, but suppose it is that cleverly concealed thing called sarcasm.






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TheJacer
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thetempleowl




Manning up on a poli discussion board. 10-4

Anyway...

You're completely correct in assuming the simple qualifier "this fast" turns his post into a measure of recent decades rather than the longevity of a nation. Mah bad.

Completely wrong? Or are you just too quick to assume a person is speaking with no regard to historical facts but rather their very small window of understanding beginning with their birth.

Now, you may have been right in this case. I'll concede. Although based on your post count I would also point out you have a lot more experience denigrating posters on the interwebs, like a hardass. Again, WTG Champ. But, to claim I'd "hide" rather than rebut your cute little quips is funny. A little pathetic. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with "this poor guy has never stood up for himself in the RL, poor kid."

And for the record: the US has seemingly flip flopped on its core beliefs (the Constitution as documentation) roughly twice as fast as Rome shed its republic toga and embraced democracy. This fast indeed.






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Meauxjeaux
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I didn't do it


Well, that's why I didn't respond to you.






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memphis tiger
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Fumble, Fumble... Who dropped the ball in America?


Look in the mirror, that's who. We are the ones who keep putting these a-holes in office, we are getting exactly what we have asked for.






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TheJacer
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I didn't do it


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Well, that's why I didn't respond to you.


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Genius.








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thetempleowl
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Mah bad.


Dude, you are more of a man than just about anyone here.

I man up as did you. Greatly respect it. :cheers: :cheers:

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Although based on your post count I would also point out you have a lot more experience denigrating posters on the interwebs


Sorry dude. Used to people coming on here and fleeing. And that is not from being on here. It is from a life of dealing with morons.

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But, to claim I'd "hide" rather than rebut your cute little quips is funny.


I will state without qualifier that I was wrong here. I let previous experience color my statements. You are the exception rather than the rule. :cheers:

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A little pathetic.


Not really. Based on previous experience from this board.

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But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with "this poor guy has never stood up for himself in the RL, poor kid."



I don't see how you would get this unless you think I am purely an internet tough guy. I am the same in real life as I am on the net, and I don't claim to be a tough guy. I do not how ever get steamrolled or bullied. And I do what I believe and for the most part do what I say (exceptions as in I procrastinate while I tell others not to procrastinate, things along those lines).

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the US has seemingly flip flopped on its core beliefs (the Constitution as documentation) roughly twice as fast as Rome shed its republic toga and embraced democracy. This fast indeed.


Not sure about that. I dislike the idea that it has flipped on its core beliefs.

I think people have figured out how to job the system much more quickly than the roman empire.

I believe people are more out for the money way quicker than the roman empire.

But not sure they have changed the system or if they have used and abused the system.

But I would say that we are definitely on the down side of our countries existence unless something changes it. And yes, I see many parallels to the downfall of the roman empire and what is going on here.






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