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mograyback
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I do know, however, that they operate under market forces (unfortunately, federal involvement in agriculture greatly distorts true price structure). It may be that, under current price conditions for all facets of production and distribution, it is more efficient to engage in the current mode of import/export and nationwide shipping than otherwise. Were these conditions to change, production would adjust accordingly.



Did you really just write this. I've been pretty clear that I understand its cheaper monetarily to import, it's a short term win and a long term loss. Something is drastically wrong when it's cheaper to import an apple from China than grow it in Washington. As much as our man made economies want to tell us it's cheaper to import an apple from China, it's really not cheaper if you're looking at the big picture, that is what I've said. It goes against all common sense to cut down (actually they burn them down) an apple tree in one of the worlds finest places to grow apples, in favor of importing them from a far away continent.

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One must also recognize that our current cornucopia of food is the result of consumer demand. If consumers, like most of my customers, want locally-grown, seasonal produce, then that is what they will get. Currently, consumers demand nearly all foods at all times of the year. So long as there is the capacity to do so, this is what agricultural producers will meet.



You know you made a point and justified it with a point that doesn't relate to that point. Never mind.. continuing this would waste my entire night.






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mograyback
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Trade benefits both nations. Bull.


And have never taken an economics class in your life.


You're such a troll.

You really think I don't know trade benefits both nations. You're the one with a severe comprehension problem if you can't see the angle I've argued.






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HempHead
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Something is drastically wrong when it's cheaper to import an apple from China than grow it in Washington.


Why?

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big picture,


What is the big picture?

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And there is very good studies that show consumer demand doesn't drive our food production.


Tell me about them.






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RogerTheShrubber
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You're such a troll.

You really think I don't know trade benefits both nations.



I'll take you at your word and say no. You seem to have come to a new understanding in the last 5 minutes.

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You're the one with a severe comprehension problem if you can't see the angle I've argued.


You probably shouldn't say stupid shite if you don't mean it.






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mograyback
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Something is drastically wrong when it's cheaper to import an apple from China than grow it in Washington.


Why?



And this is where I walk away. A thousand face palms couldn't give this justice.






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HempHead
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And this is where I walk away. A thousand face palms couldn't give this justice


Perhaps you could elaborate, rather than deflect.






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mograyback
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You really think I don't know trade benefits both nations.



I'll take you at your word and say no. You seem to have come to a new understanding in the last 5 minutes.

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You're the one with a severe comprehension problem if you can't see the angle I've argued.


You probably shouldn't say stupid shite if you don't mean it.



You're a troll, yes.

When I said 'bull' after the sentence "trade benefits both nations" I was not meaning that economically there is no benefit. In the grand scheme it makes no sense to make ourselves reliant on apples from another continent and burn down the finest apples trees on earth right here in our backyard. "Bull" was my way of saying that I disagree with what you've determined as benefit. Pie charts and GDP are not at the center of my universe, common sense is.

To import an inferior product from another continent and burn down the trees that produce that product here makes absolutely no sense.

Tell me, how does it make any sense for the UK to import the same amount of milk as they export? It's all to satisfy this economic game. And a game is all it is, common sense and real benefits are thrown out the window.



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HempHead
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And a game is all it is, common sense and real benefits are thrown out the window.


Is it to follow from this, and the previous statement, that you believe economic calculation to be a poor way to allocate resources?






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RogerTheShrubber
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When I said 'bull' after the sentence "trade benefits both nations" I was not meaning that economically there is no benefit. In the grand scheme it makes no sense to make ourselves reliant on apples from another continent and burn down the finest apples trees on earth right here in our backyard. "Bull" was my way of saying that I disagree with what you've determined as benefit. Pie charts and GDP are not at the center of my universe, common sense is.



May be the stupidest thing you have ever said here, and that is saying a lot.

"When I said bull, I didn't mean bull because bull meant something totally different in my head." Just admit you don't have a clue what you are talking about.



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SlowFlowPro
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Sir, not trying to be rude... but you're playing Go Fish and I'm playing Texas Holdem. One of the many frustrating things about these types of boards. Without writing a few chapters worth of information I don't know how else I'd even begin to respond.







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mograyback
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And this is where I walk away. A thousand face palms couldn't give this justice


Perhaps you could elaborate, rather than deflect.


There is no need to elaborate.

You think it makes sense to cut down apple trees in Washington and import them from China.

There really isn't anything else to say.. continuing this conversation would involve trying to change your value system. It would be the same as a capitalist trying change a communist on a message board. There would be no point.



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HempHead
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You think it makes sense to cut down apple trees in Washington and import them from China.


Do I? I responded to as much in a previous post. Perhaps you did not see.

I am asking you why you think it is bad for such things to happen.






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mograyback
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I am asking you why you think it is bad for such things to happen.


If you have to ask me why it's bad to remove apple trees in Washington in favor of importing apples them from China, then you don't deserve the time it would take to answer.






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HempHead
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If you have to ask me why it's bad to remove apple trees in Washington in favor of importing apples them from China, then you don't deserve the time it would take to answer.


Why do I not deserve the answer?






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SlowFlowPro
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You think it makes sense to cut down apple trees in Washington and import them from China.

what if it's cheaper for consumers to import them from china? let's just assume that it is cheaper for this little response: why would it be a bad thing to import apples from china, in that instance?







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mograyback
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what if it's cheaper for consumers to import them from china? let's just assume that it is cheaper for this little response: why would it be a bad thing to import apples from china, in that instance?


I have said that is is cheaper (in the short run), read the thread.

And again, if you need to ask why it's a bad to cut down apple trees in Washington and import them from China, you don't deserve the time it would take to properly respond. The centers of our universe are different. Yours is a GDP graph, mine is common sense.



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SlowFlowPro
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And again, if you need to ask why it's a bad to cut down apple trees in Washington and import them from China, you don't deserve the time it would take to properly respond.

why not import the apples from china for a lower price and use the area in washington for a more productive endeavor?

seems like you get a double advantage that way

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Yours is a GDP graph, mine is common sense.

the reason why we do stuff like analyze statistical trends is to avoid gut-based decision making like "common sense"






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cssamerican
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Well if anyone has read On The Road they would have repeatedly heard a quote by the President from my fine state, "we must cut down the cost of living".

It's not so much about not buying so much, it's that the cost of living is too high.

We have a consumer based society, yet we have so many things in place that are more or less mandatory that take a large percentage of people spending money.

Most people have these obligations
Car payment
Car insurance
Gas
House/apartment payment
Utilities
Cable
Internet
Cell phone
Food

Those things listed above are pretty much necessary to be a 'normal' member of society. Yes cable is a luxury, but it's pretty standard to have cable or at least internet. That list is a hell of a chunk out of someone paycheck. A hell of a chunk.

Our food is coming from a national distribution system. The industry food/farm system makes everything more expensive.

Everything is just arse backwards. Fully explaining that comment would be pretty frustrating to try and communicate properly.

You forgot day care. It is a massive expense!






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mograyback
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why not import the apples from china for a lower price and use the area in washington for a more productive endeavor?

seems like you get a double advantage that way



I shouldn't even proceed with this.. but oh well.

Something more productive.. like what? A factory? A mall?

Washington state is the finest place on earth to grow apples, and it's trees are being burned down and farms closed because it's cheaper to import them from China because of our bull laws in this country.

And I like how you've isolated this one example. What is your response for why the UK imports the same amount of milk as they export? A bunch of ships, cars, planes are using up petroleum to ship this stuff around the globe. It only makes sense within the boundaries of man made economies, but not in real life.




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RogerTheShrubber
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I shouldn't even proceed with this.. but oh well.

Something more productive.. like what? A factory? A mall?

Washington state is the finest place on earth to grow apples, and it's trees are being burned down and farms closed because it's cheaper to import them from China because of our bull laws in this country.


You seem to be hung up on ideology and personal preference.

If it's cheaper and more productive to import, and the land here can be used for more productive purposes, it's a win/win.

Looks like to me, the apple industry is doing well in Washington though.

LINK

It doesn't appear to be an either/or.






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