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Siderophore 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:53 pm to Powerman)
I always assumed the left leaning aspect albeit mild, came from what they chose to cover rather than how they covered it.
A little more aggressive to dispel myths damaging to liberals, and to expose them regarding Republicans.
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Vegas Bengal
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:55 pm to NC_Tigah)
The Birth Cert did not raise questions. It really did not. No more than 9/11 truther conspiracy. I mean you would have to assume so many people involved in such a deep conspiracy. And I've seen your whacked out false assertions about registering births 50 years ago etc. But when there is not a scintilla of evidence that he was born in Kenya, and when a fake BC would take a huge conspiracy, there comes a point when you have to make a call.
Then you claim snopes was wrong for dismissing the nude shots as being Obama's mother so easily then claim bias bc they supposedly said it was a porn actress and you claim dissimilar features. Got news for you, if Snopes was wrong for saying that pic was the actress, the claim it was his mother is just as wrong bc dissimilar features and not a scintilla of evidence.
Snake oil salesman are making a fortune off of you guys.
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McLemore
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:57 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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Conservatives cannot bring themselves to even consider that they might be wrong about anything. So they only watch and read conservative media which makes a fortune feeding them crap they want to hear. Drudge, Rush, Breitbart, Colter, Murdoch...make a fortune telling them stuff they want to hear. Doesn't matter if it's the truth.
Conservative media are the modern day snake oil salesman.
now who sounds more like a kook, you or the strawman "conservative" you just erected?
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:59 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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if Snopes was wrong for saying that pic was the actress, the claim it was his mother is just as wrong bc dissimilar features and not a scintilla of evidence.
well the point isn't about which lady it was. the point is that no definitive statement should have been made
i have read a lot of snopes in my day and they spend more time and effort dispelling whether a picture of a giant cougar/croc matched an e-mail chain and finding out the source of the photo than they did these pictures
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Vegas Bengal
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:14 pm to McLemore)
No straw man. Reality.
Want examples?
Birth certificate.
War on Christmas
Obama meets pirate instead of Netanyahu
Obama watched the ambassador die on tv
Obama gave guns to Mexicans to pass gun control
Hillary faked her concussion and blood clot.
Batman's bad guy is named after Romney's company.
The polls are skewed.
The press pushed Romney so Obama would get an easier opponent
The press pushed McCain so Obama would get an easier opponent
Obama's dog has is own plane trip
Obama took god off coins
Obama didn't write his books
Shady foreigners paid or Obama's tuition
Obama is a communist, socialist, nazi, Muslim, atheist who hates America and white people.
And that's to name a few.
This is not rational. And it's backed by snake oil salesman so you'll go to their websites, you'll link their pages, buy their books, their tshirts etc.
The irony of it all is all this bull shite clouds actual criticism you could be making of Obama. But this crap is what is debated on talk shows, on blogs, on message boards. And frankly it turns fact-based people off.
It's not logical. It's based on fear and prejudice. And when anyone tries to convince otherwise, the snake oil salesman call them biased communist leftists extremists etc. and you guys eat it up.
There was a time when the Dem Party let the extremists have too big of a voice in the party. And they lost 5 of 6 elections. Now the extremists in the Rep Party are seen as the voice of the party and they've lost 5 of 6 popular vote elections.
The Dems listen to pollsters and advertise executives. The Reps call them biased.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:19 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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Want examples?
Birth certificate.
War on Christmas
Obama meets pirate instead of Netanyahu
Obama watched the ambassador die on tv
Obama gave guns to Mexicans to pass gun control
Hillary faked her concussion and blood clot.
Batman's bad guy is named after Romney's company.
The polls are skewed.
The press pushed Romney so Obama would get an easier opponent
The press pushed McCain so Obama would get an easier opponent
Obama's dog has is own plane trip
Obama took god off coins
Obama didn't write his books
Shady foreigners paid or Obama's tuition
Obama is a communist, socialist, nazi, Muslim, atheist who hates America and white people.
there are similar lists from the opposing side for every president
bush is dumb
bush is a nazi
cheney started a war for oil
bush instituted the patriot act to become a dictator
bush wasn't stepping down after his 2nd term
bush/ashcroft believe they were warriors of god
bush's tax cuts led to a deficit
bush's policies led to the 2008 recession
etc etc etc
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The Dems listen to pollsters and advertise executives.
the DEMS basically have 2 advantages
1. the american public has shifted left since WW2
2. the DEMs can frame the national discussion via their media outlets
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NC_Tigah
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:25 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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The Birth Cert did not raise questions. It really did not.
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I mean you would have to assume so many people involved in such a deep conspiracy
Until the LFBC was produced, the only requisite "conspiracy" would have been amongst the three Dunhams -- SAD and her parents. We've discussed this before. Point being Snopes had basis to issue doubt, but not disproof.quote:
Got news for you, if Snopes was wrong for saying that pic was the actress, the claim it was his mother is just as wrong bc dissimilar features and not a scintilla of evidence.
Dissimilar features? If true that is the basis Snopes should use to debunk the thing. In fact, Snopes apparently found no evidence to support your assertion. So instead Snopes insisted the pics were of Marcy Moore. Snopes assertions that identical women are represented in images of the supposed SAD and Marcy Moore literally require an observer to make mountains out of molehills.
Again, I have no idea whether the woman is SAD, but there is no way she is Moore. Snopes was wrong in saying so.
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VOR 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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you always talk about how the majority of the country is more left than this or that. do you apply the "middle is the median of the population" belief to a discussion like this thread about bias?
Good question, and I was actually going to start a thread one of these days. When I use the term "middle", "right" or "left", in most cases I suppose I'm thinking about the general population and where something or someone falls on that scale.
I think many posters here are thinking more of how something or someone ranks as compared their political philosophy. Perhaps more of political theory scale.
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blueboy
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:43 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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Conservatives are so butt hurt from losing so many elections, they've become so paranoid that they think everyone is against them. TV media, print media, pollsters, poll analyzers, betting websites, Columnists, movies, tv shows, actors, snopes, political fact checkers, scientists. Anyone and everything that disagrees with them. Even conservative media like Frum or Brooks. And when evryone is right and conservatives are proven wrong, then they claim it's a conspiracy. It's rigged. It's bought and paid for.
pot fricking kettle, dude.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:48 pm to VOR)
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I think many posters here are thinking more of how something or someone ranks as compared their political philosophy. Perhaps more of political theory scale.
yes. most on this board discuss politics from a defined scale. that's why i had to ask
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Revelator
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 3:37 pm to blueboy)
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pot fricking kettle, dude.
Dudette
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thetempleowl
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro)
As has been stated above, the crazies in the republican party have gotten the podium.
They say a lot of stupid things. Hell there were people here defending the moron that said that womens body can shut it down after rape.
Many in the republican party talk of creationism and eschew evolution.
Just because a some of you here actually believe this nonsense does not make is so. It is a sad truth that people think that people who voice what they believe in are correct. And there is no place that that idea is better illustrated than this board.
Is Snopes left leaning? Well perhaps the left is more correct in their recent claims. If you are upset that snopes stated that Akins was a moron, well news flash, he was. Was Angle a moron? Yep. Was O'Donnell pretty stupid? Yep.
Are there stupid dems? Yep. Hank Johnson, the gatah girl congresswomen and others are simply morons as well.
Now is you can show me where snopes said bush was a nazi, than fine, I will agree with you. But snopes does things pretty correctly.
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mmcgrath
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 4:05 pm to NC_Tigah)
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Snopes was addressing those claims with its own guesses.
Snopes was framing its guesses as fact. That is not the nature in which Snopes represents itself. Its guesses were not fact. In the end, its guesses turned out to be correct.
That does not in any way justify its original position sans evidence as a supposed impartial debunker.
Sometimes Snopes makes an educated guess as to whether an urban legend is true, false, partial, or don't know. They clearly state that. From what I recall around that time they looked at all of the "evidence" the birthers had about Obama being born in Kenya, and balanced that against official documents, the president's word, etc and decided that the Birthers' claims as well as their "evidence", were bunk.
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You mean any evidence other than the fact the woman pictured is either S.A.D. or her physically identical doppleganger?
Any evidence other than S.A.D.'s physical appearance, known irresponsible behavior, known relationships, and the period nature of the photos? No.
Do I know for a fact those pics are of S.A.D.? No.
Do I know for a fact they are not Marcy Moore?
Without question they are not Marcy Moore.
Not a chance in hell.
No evidence to support any of your opinions. But lets step out on a ledge and say that in this case, Snopes said that it was Marcy Moore (and didn't use the word "likely") and that was the only evidence they used to debunk the photo's. Let's assume all of that and that they got this one wrong. Is this all of the evidence you have to call them "Left Leaning"? Clearly you hold Snopes to a much higher standard than yourself.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 4:13 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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I think many posters here are thinking more of how something or someone ranks as compared their political philosophy
Perhaps.
Then again IMO, truth knows no party.
It may be the "us-against-the-world" "this-board-is-soooo-riiiight-wing" perception several libs here exhibit taints their posts?
Maybe it's the feeling, justified or not, that numbers here force holding the liberal line. Likewise for righties . . . . peer influence?
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most on this board discuss politics from a defined scale. that's why i had to ask
Indeed.
But let's keep it real too, because perception as to nature of that "defined scale" should occasionally be called to question as well. e.g., right-wing vs ultra-right-wing.
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BBONDS25
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 4:54 pm to thetempleowl)
Who do the eagles have in the playoffs?
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VOR
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 5:03 pm to NC_Tigah)
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Then again IMO, truth knows no party.
NC, seriously, that sounds great but what the hell does it mean?
And I've taken that little "test" several times. It's flawed, to put it mildly. It's incomplete and simplistic.
And, NC, if we came up with, say, a 20 question survey of the PoliBoard that dealt with economic and social issues, how do you think the result would compare to public opinion nationwide? Not saying one is right and the other not. Just asking how you think it would shake out.
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Bestbank Tiger 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 5:04 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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There was a time when the Dem Party let the extremists have too big of a voice in the party. And they lost 5 of 6 elections. Now the extremists in the Rep Party are seen as the voice of the party and they've lost 5 of 6 popular vote elections.
Both sides are full of loons. It's just that the Republicans got a free pass in the past and the Democrats get a free pass now.
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 5:07 pm to Layabout)
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People who don't like their cherished illusions debunked cope by attacking the source.
Snopes, PolitiFact, Nate Silver, New York Times: biased
Obama's America 2016: completely legitimate, omg colonialism.
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 6:11 pm to thetempleowl)
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As has been stated above, the crazies in the republican party have gotten the podium. They say a lot of stupid things. Hell there were people here defending the moron that said that womens body can shut it down after rape. Many in the republican party talk of creationism and eschew evolution.
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LSUgusto
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 6:20 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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they've become so paranoid that they think everyone is against them. TV media, print media, pollsters, poll analyzers, betting websites, Columnists, movies, tv shows, actors, snopes, political fact checkers, scientists
Many of them are. That's not paranoia. It's demonstrable fact.
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