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Kashonly
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| Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:01 pm)
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In 2010, 91 percent of the benefits provided through entitlement programs went to people who were elderly (65 or older), disabled (receiving Social Security disability benefits, SSI disability benefits, or Medicare on the basis of a disability — all three programs use essentially the same disability standard, which limits eligibility to people with medically certified disabilities that leave them substantially unable to work), or members of a household in which an individual worked at least 1,000 hours during the year. As noted, the 91 percent figure is unchanged if one includes veterans’ and federal retirement programs.
This analysis defines working households as those in which someone has worked at least 1,000 hours a year. This is a conservative definition. If two household members work more than 1,000 hours between them but no single individual works at least 1,000 hours, we do not classify the unit as a working household.
Share of "tax expenditures", not "benefit spending", counting like "tax cuts" are counted.(deductions, credits, and other write-offs in the federal tax code, known as tax expenditures)
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:04 pm to Kashonly)
oh yeah
social security/medicare are the big problems
welfare benefits are bad, but a drop in the bucket compared to those 2
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SmackoverHawg 
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:04 pm to Kashonly)
Most of the "disabled" I treat could work, but choose not to work the jobs that are available to them. But, the system promotes this. It's an all or none situation. I would like to see subsidies for those who try and work reduce hours or lower paying jobs. We have to ensure that people are always better off working than not working.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:14 pm to Kashonly)
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Kashonly
Why are you under the impression that the disabled are somehow in the same category as the elderly?
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Kashonly
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Why are you under the impression that the disabled are somehow in the same category as the elderly?
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51.2 million
Number of people who have some level of disability. They represent 18 percent of the population.
32.5 million
Number of people with a severe disability. They represent 12 percent of the population.
I guess you are saying that "some levels" are frauds?
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Why are you under the impression that the disabled are somehow in the same category as the elderly?
don't both payments come out of SS?
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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don't both payments come out of SS?
What I'm trying to say is that to treat the elderly and the "disabled" as the same is ridiculous. You can't "abuse" if you are elderly or not. 100% of spending on the elderly is justifiable. The disabled, however, is a totally different story. People like DA abuse the system.
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:35 pm to Kashonly)
do you have ANY idea what can constitute "disabled" these days?
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:37 pm to St Augustine)
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do you have ANY idea what can constitute "disabled" these days?
and why does the fact that the household is "working" make a difference?
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Kashonly
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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People like DA abuse the system.
only by your "justifiable" standard
say you are born to a household where you were 1 of 8 kids who all had different last names. You were physically abuse by your mother and 5-6 of her suitors, and sexually abused by one of your mom's friends. You were verbally abused by everyone in your neighborhood except your grandmother. Strangers, everywhere you go are afraid of you and cross the street when they see you. You go to apply for a job and they seem to want to rush you out. You feel the whole world is against you.
Would you say that this person might have a tad bit of a harder time coping with the world? Is he disabled from having the type of life that say:
is able to have?
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Kashonly
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:42 pm to St Augustine)
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do you have ANY idea what can constitute "disabled" these days?
who is in charge of the labeling...Doctors?
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:42 pm to St Augustine)
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do you have ANY idea what can constitute "disabled" these days?
On the XM rap radio station listeners were calling in and laughing about how they get disability when they don't need it. One guy was like 23, 6"0 tall and 160lbs and got disability for sleep apnea. Such a joke.
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SmackoverHawg
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:46 pm to Kashonly)
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who is in charge of the labeling...Doctors?
Initially, but if the doctors turn it down the person can get a lawyer and present their case to a judge who has no medical training. Ultimately if they put on a good enough show or get a liberal judge, they get it. The only way to lose it is to show significant improvement. So...if you weren't that bad to begin with, it's hard to improve enough to get kicked off. 
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Kashonly
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:49 pm to SmackoverHawg)
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The Social Security Administration describes a person as being disabled if “you cannot do work that you did before; we decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death. This is a strict definition of disability.” This is crucial if you plan to apply for social security disability benefits, because it pays only for total disability, not partial or short-term disability.
My only problem with this is women. When they get old they get ugly, they are permanently disabled from doing their jobs at Hooters, stripping, and other sales jobs.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:03 pm to Kashonly)
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities is a left-leaning think tank that takes official statistics and manipulates the numbers to come up with numbers that support their liberal policy goals, and that it was founded by Robert Greenstein who served in Government under Presidents Carter and Clinton.
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:05 pm to SmackoverHawg)
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Initially, but if the doctors turn it down the person can get a lawyer and present their case to a judge who has no medical training. Ultimately if they put on a good enough show or get a liberal judge, they get it. The only way to lose it is to show significant improvement. So...if you weren't that bad to begin with, it's hard to improve enough to get kicked off
No. If medical evidence is against you and you have no doctor on your side, you lose.
But while people love to point out shady lawyers, the medical field has their share as well and you can find doctors who will say almost anything for $. So appeals are won by finding doctors who will dx a disability.
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:07 pm to Kashonly)
My ex-wife gets disability for being bipolar. That has no effect on her ability to work. She has worked in the same industry for over 18yrs now. The only difference is she gets paid cash under the table now.
The problem with the system isn't their definition of disability, it is with individuals that use their own judgement of disability. Look at it this way, we have laws but lawyers and judges interpret them differently. Unfortunately the words on the paper don't approve people's applications, people do.
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SmackoverHawg
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:08 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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doctors turn it down the person can get a lawyer and present their case to a judge who has no medical training. Ultimately if they put on a good enough show or get a liberal judge, they get it. The only way to lose it is to show significant improvement. So...if you weren't that bad to begin with, it's hard to improve enough to get kicked off
No. If medical evidence is against you and you have no doctor on your side, you lose.
But while people love to point out shady lawyers, the medical field has their share as well and you can find doctors who will say almost anything for $. So appeals are won by finding doctors who will dx a disability.
I should have said case reviewers, some of which are doctors. I have examined patients that certainly had positive findings but in my opinion could easily be retrained or could still work. They then get turned down and appeal to a judge. The judge hears the case and approves it.
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:33 pm to Kashonly)
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say you are born to a household where you were 1 of 8 kids who all had different last names. You were physically abuse by your mother and 5-6 of her suitors, and sexually abused by one of your mom's friends. You were verbally abused by everyone in your neighborhood except your grandmother. Strangers, everywhere you go are afraid of you and cross the street when they see you. You go to apply for a job and they seem to want to rush you out. You feel the whole world is against you.
Would you say that this person might have a tad bit of a harder time coping with the world? Is he disabled from having the type of life that say:
Tough titty. I have Muscular Dystophy, walk with a very pronounced limp (so much so that my heel doesn't touch the ground when I walk), was made fun of my entire life, get stared out whenever I walk, and a shite ton of other bad things that are associated with it. Guess what? I don't sit at home and collect disability, even though I would qualify easily and have a "severe disability".
Many use their "disabilities" as an excuse to sit at home and cash a check from the government. Granted, that doesn't apply to everyone but thanks to the Americans with Disabilities Act (one of the worst pieces of legislation passed in the last couple of decades) the definition of "disability" has been so watered down that it isn't going to those who truly need the help.
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Kashonly
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| re: Entitlement: 91% of Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households (Posted on 1/6/13 at 3:08 pm to MFn GIMP)
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I have Muscular Dystophy, walk with a very pronounced limp
you are courageous and I applaud your tenacity and wherewithal....but surely you don't mean to say that everyone with Muscular Dystophy who is collecting disability is a pathetic piece of shit?
I know a 90 year old who walks 5 miles every day, surely I do not expect every 90 year to be able to do so, and would not incorporate that when creating a standard by which 90 year olds would be measured.
make sense?
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