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Layabout 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:50 am to ChineseBandit58)
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smirk at any link to an article on Drudge or reported by FNC.
They're not in business to check facts. In the case of FNC (I assume that's Fox) they are butchers of facts.
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notiger1997
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:52 am to NC_Tigah)
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Any examples?
Hell, I don't remember all of them. It was mostly during the first election of Obama. I would get the silly chain emails about Obama not wanting to wear american flag pins, his ring being muslim BS, the jet not being allowed to have american flag, etc.
Really, I can't remember the details. My country hick family would just always send me stuff and I would have to tell them that Obama is a big enough a-hole. No need to pass along made up stuff as it makes you look dumb.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 10:54 am to Layabout)
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they are butchers of facts.
so are CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc
i mean let's be serious. has FNC ever used fabricated documents at the centerpiece of a national story attempting to defame the president?
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ChineseBandit58 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:00 am to notiger1997)
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My country hick family would just always send me stuff and I would have to tell them that Obama is a big enough a-hole. No need to pass along made up stuff as it makes you look dumb.
I have the same problem - get all kinds of chain-emails (actually, my wife gets them and sends some of the most hilarious ones to me. I don't actually have associations with a lot of my idiot relatives and i like it that way.)
I abhor Obama for his policies that are out in the open - don't need to look around for nit-picking bull shite to pile on with.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:01 am to ChineseBandit58)
i had to delete a ton of family from facebook for posting too much of that anti-Obama conspiracy shit
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Sid in Lakeshore
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:15 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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CarrolltonTiger
Prove it.
How? Your illusions are too strong and valuable to you. If you choose to believe it is without bias, your bias and lack of reason harms no one but yourself.
In other words, you cannot. I find they lay out the facts as well as possible and try to link resopurces. If you find differently, please link instances.
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Revelator
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:24 am to tketaco)
Snopes wants everyone to think they are some huge non biased organisation with unlimited resources to uncover the truth about any subject. In reality, they are little more than a husband and wife democrat couple who uses google as their source of information.
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Sid in Lakeshore
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:32 am to Revelator)
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Revelator
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some huge non biased organisation with unlimited resources
Fail.
From their own website:
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The snopes.com web site is (and always has been) a completely independent, self-sufficient entity wholly owned by its operators, Barbara and David Mikkelson, and funded through advertising revenues. Neither the site nor its operators has ever received monies from (or been engaged in any business or editorial relationship with), any sponsor, investor, partner, political party, religious group, business organization, government agency, or any other outside group or organization.
Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections, register an affiliation with a U.S. political party, or donate to any U.S. political campaign or candidate. David Mikkelson is an American citizen whose participation in U.S. politics has never extended beyond periodically exercising his civic duty at the ballot box. As FactCheck confirmed in April 2009, David is a registered independent who has never donated to, or worked on behalf of, any political campaign or party. The Mikkelsons are wholly apolitical, vastly preferring their quiet scholarly lives in the company of their cats to any political considerations.
Read more at LINK
They seem to be quite upfront that it is just the two of them driving the train over there. They do insist on impartiality. It's up to each user of SNOPES to check out the links they provide and decide for themselves. I'm glad to have them and FACTCHECK to use from time to time.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:38 am to notiger1997)
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I would get the silly chain emails about Obama not wanting to wear american flag pins, his ring being muslim BS, the jet not being allowed to have american flag, etc.
Some of those Snopes debunks were valid redresses of craziness. Others were little more than leftist excuse factory dismissals. The Birth Certificate BS was a great example. Obama handled that stupidly. His handling raised legitimate questions. Snopes defended him based on assumptions in many cases independent of facts prior to the Hawaiian BC being released. In the end, Snopes assumptions were borne out. But that really is not the point.
For example, another similar Snopes oddity dealt with supposed Stanley Ann Dunham nude pics. In this case Snopes was vociferous in its dismissal of the Dunham nude pics along with evidence of a Frank Davis relationship. Snopes claimed on very thin evidence the supposed Dunham nudes were actually of a model named Marcy Moore. The two have similar but not identical facial features. However, the figure of the woman pictured in the Dunham shots is unquestionably not that of Marcy Moore. Not close.
Yet Snopes made the Marcy Moore claim not as a possibility, but as fact. Now, post election, Snopes has scrubbed the article. Scrubbed it totally. No more Marcy Moore reference. It's completely gone. Erased. Eliminated. Supposedly because internet filters flagged it as pornographic or sexually explicit and blocked Snopes access on that basis.
Snopes claims to be attempting to resolve the issue and get the material back online as soon as possible. There are 100 different ways Snopes could carry representative material on this topic without triggering any sexually explicit questions. That is assuming the bull shite """internet filters""" assertion has a shred of merit. I see no evidence whatsoever that it does.
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BBONDS25
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:41 am to NC_Tigah)
BOOM!
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Revelator
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:50 am to Sid in Lakeshore)
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Fail.
Are you a joke? What do you think the info will be from their own website? And I bet the NAACP, ACLU and the various AFl- CIO websites also claim to be non bias and completely neutral as well?!
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mmcgrath
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:58 am to NC_Tigah)
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The Birth Certificate BS was a great example. Obama handled that stupidly. His handling raised legitimate questions. Snopes defended him based on assumptions in many cases independent of facts prior to the Hawaiian BC being released. In the end, Snopes assumptions were borne out. But that really is not the point.
But it is the point. Snopes was addressing claims that Obama was not a US citizen or that his birth certificate was a fake. They investigated the claims and found no evidence to support the, Therefore, it was false.
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Stanley Ann Dunham nude pics
I really can't believe you went there. Is there right now any evidence that it was Obama's mother. Frankly the whole thing is slime ball politics and I wouldn't care if it was, but the evidence is on the slimeballs like yourself who want to push the issue, not on everyone else to disprove it.
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mmcgrath
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:59 am to Vegas Bengal)
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Conservatives are so butt hurt from losing so many elections, they've become so paranoid that they think everyone is against them. TV media, print media, pollsters, poll analyzers, betting websites, Columnists, movies, tv shows, actors, snopes, political fact checkers, scientists. Anyone and everything that disagrees with them. Even conservative media like Frum or Brooks. And when evryone is right and conservatives are proven wrong, then they claim it's a conspiracy. It's rigged. It's bought and paid for.
Conservatives cannot bring themselves to even consider that they might be wrong about anything. So they only watch and read conservative media which makes a fortune feeding them crap they want to hear. Drudge, Rush, Breitbart, Colter, Murdoch...make a fortune telling them stuff they want to hear. Doesn't matter if it's the truth.
Conservative media are the modern day snake oil salesman.
So many good responses, but I'll go with this one. 
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:06 pm to Sid in Lakeshore)
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In other words, you cannot.
Do you really not understand it is a matter of opinion?
No different than my opinion that you are a dumb arse based upon reading your work here.
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Revelator
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:08 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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Conservatives cannot bring themselves to even consider that they might be wrong about anything. So they only watch and read conservative media which makes a fortune feeding them crap they want to hear. Drudge, Rush, Breitbart, Colter, Murdoch...make a fortune telling them stuff they want to hear. Doesn't matter if it's the truth.
This would describe nearly every poster on this site including you.
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catnip
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:11 pm to a want)
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Prove it.
So your proof is to simply state their case. There is no doubt as to who is really bias. The left as yourself has found a utopia in the very stupid. So their brains are always hooked to life support. You and all your friends should be forced to watch the military channel and witness what got the fuhrer in power in WWII. You would not like this parallel because it would expose what your fuhrer is doing here.
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Bestbank Tiger 
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:13 pm to mmcgrath)
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Frankly the whole thing is slime ball politics
I kige this.
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I really can't believe you went there
Based on his posting history, I don't think he cares if that was really Stanley Dunham or not, and he doesn't hold it against Obama if it was. He was just giving an example of a claim he feels Snopes flagged as "false" when it should have been "don't know".
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BBONDS25
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:13 pm to mmcgrath)
Vb writes a diatribe about the whiney republicans calling news biased...and finishes it by whining about fox...and that's the response you like best? Figures. Liberals 
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NC_Tigah
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:17 pm to mmcgrath)
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But it is the point. Snopes was addressing claims that Obama was not a US citizen or that his birth certificate was a fake.
Snopes was addressing those claims with its own guesses.
Snopes was framing its guesses as fact. That is not the nature in which Snopes represents itself. Its guesses were not fact. In the end, its guesses turned out to be correct.
That does not in any way justify its original position sans evidence as a supposed impartial debunker.quote:
Is there right now any evidence that it was Obama's mother.
You mean any evidence other than the fact the woman pictured is either S.A.D. or her physically identical doppleganger?
Any evidence other than S.A.D.'s physical appearance, known irresponsible behavior, known relationships, and the period nature of the photos? No.
Do I know for a fact those pics are of S.A.D.? No.
Do I know for a fact they are not Marcy Moore?
Without question they are not Marcy Moore.
Not a chance in hell.
Why would Snopes assert otherwise?
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NC_Tigah
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| re: So Snopes is Left Leaning Now? (Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:19 pm to Bestbank Tiger)
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I don't think he cares if that was really Stanley Dunham or not, and he doesn't hold it against Obama if it was. He was just giving an example of a claim he feels Snopes flagged as "false" when it should have been "don't know".
Exactly.
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