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theunknownknight 
LSU Fan
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| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:24 pm to BeeFense5)
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We lost. It happens. But lsu is still a great program. You want to harp on it, go ahead. But it's senseless.
I only harped because you said "wins are the ONLY thing that matters"
:FalseEquivicationHyperbole:
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BeeFense5 
Notre Dame Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
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| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:24 pm to Choctaw)
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and 4 of the 5 top offenses have been under Miles. you're contradicting yourself
He is playing twister with his arguments in order to continue bashing the lsu program.
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BeeFense5
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New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
15793 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:25 pm to theunknownknight)
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I only harped because you said "wins are the ONLY thing that matters"
I did. Lsu wins at an elite level. That was a loss in the title game. Still a great year.
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sabanisarustedspoke
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2007
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| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:27 pm to Prominentwon)
I'm not sure about him, but I know it bc I've been to all the home games of Les and 3 diff Ocs
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Rickdaddy4188
LSU Fan
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
7786 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:30 pm to theunknownknight)
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Are you really trying to argue LSU had a great offense last year? I mean...REALLY?
You think 2011 LSU offense wasn't good? You're stupid. Our offense was shut down by one team all year and one half in the SECCG. The only defense to slow is down were both top 5 defenses. So yes 2011 offense was good.
Also my rankings were for passing and rushing TDs only. No special teams or defensive TDs were used. So yeah you're wrong.
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Kunka
West Virginia
Member since Dec 2010
377 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188)
If you're to ignorant to understand that Saban was building a program and that building something takes time then you need not post anymore. You're not a coach you're a worthless fan who only looks at W's and L's by a coach's name to compare success. You have no intellect to fathom or understand that Saban built something from the ground floor up. His building project including not only win's and losses but recruiting, relationships, 10's of millions of dollars in new facilities and creating a culture and identity to an establishment.
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BeeFense5
Notre Dame Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
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| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:32 pm to Kunka)
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If you're to ignorant to understand that Saban was building a program and that building something takes time then you need not post anymore. You're not a coach you're a worthless fan who only looks at W's and L's by a coach's name to compare success. You have no intellect to fathom or understand that Saban built something from the ground floor up. His building project including not only win's and losses but recruiting, relationships, 10's of millions of dollars in new facilities and creating a culture and identity to an establishment.
Get off your knees and wipe your chin bama fan
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Kunka
West Virginia
Member since Dec 2010
377 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:35 pm to BeeFense5)
Bama fan? 
Couldn't be further from the truth. I'm an LSU fan and always will be. I think the average age of a poster on TigerDroppings has to be somewhere between 16-18
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icemaverick
LSU Fan
Baton rouge
Member since Sep 2010
16 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:40 pm to sabanisarustedspoke)
I dont see where anyone is saying LSU's program sucks or is dying.
I think everyone can agree that the offense is awful and has been since 07'
Yes i know or team is built around a DEF and a run game which i like actually.
Miles has a history of inconsistant play. His teams are nortorious for playing down to teams. ( Towson, La Tech, idaho, etc) and has a bad habit of playing not to lose, rather than playing to win.( Tenn on monday night comes to mind) Those things are coaching problems. Not getting a team ready for bowl games is a coaching problem. ( NC and chicken bowl)
Making stupid decisions throught his career has been a problem here at LSU. ( OLE MISS, TENN, PENN ST, CLLEMSON games to name a few).
Now has he won a lot of games- Hell yea and im grateful
Has he lost games that they should have won- OF COURSE
Has he won games that he should have lost- YES
This post was edited on 1/4 at 2:46 pm
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TigerB8
LSU Fan
Marietta, GA
Member since Oct 2003
2536 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188)
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Miles inherited a 4 loss LSU team. Or have you forgotten 04? In the early 200's LSU was not perennial top 10 team. We are now. DWI
This does not equal rebuilding a team from the ground up, and lobbying to get athletic and academic facilities built to put this program on the next level.
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TigerB8
LSU Fan
Marietta, GA
Member since Oct 2003
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| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:50 pm to Kunka)
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When Miles took over LSU the program it was a Ferrari.
kinda what i was thinking only Miles tends to grind the gears when shifting from time to time and add some curb rashes to the rims. Like Miles here, but i expect more from him. If he doesn't tighten things up LSU will get passed by. The conference is getting tougher. 10 wins is great but if you don't beat BAMA you don't even get to the conference championship. But but but all Miles does is win...while another team wins a NC.
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Rickdaddy4188
LSU Fan
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
7786 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:51 pm to theunknownknight)
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What was Miles' record the year following his NC in 2007? 8-5...
That wasn't the question or the point. You think you're winning an argument by changing talking point. The posters said Saban lost 4 games in 04 because of losing his players. Miles has lost back to back Bednarik and Thorpe winners and won ten games while losing 8 starters after the spring game.
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TigerB8
LSU Fan
Marietta, GA
Member since Oct 2003
2536 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188)
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I'm using just passing and rushing TDs. 2011 LSU was # 2 ALLTIME at LSU. When using just passing and rushing TD totals( NO DEFENSIVE OR SPECIAL TEAM's TDs)
What you need ask your self is what was the average starting field position for that offense. You see when a team gets to go only 40 yards for a TD, it's easier than having to go 80! Fact!
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Choctaw 
Navy Fan
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
39768 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:58 pm to TigerB8)
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This does not equal rebuilding a team from the ground up,
Saban did not build the team from the ground up
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TigerB8
LSU Fan
Marietta, GA
Member since Oct 2003
2536 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:03 pm to BeeFense5)
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I did. Lsu wins at an elite level. That was a loss in the title game. Still a great year.
It was a great year. Miles found a way to get there and he found a way to ruin it.
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Kunka
West Virginia
Member since Dec 2010
377 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188)
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Miles has lost back to back Bednarik and Thorpe winners and won ten games while losing 8 starters after the spring game
Meanwhile Saban loses his entire starting defense from 2011 and now is one win away from back to back national championships. 
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Kunka
West Virginia
Member since Dec 2010
377 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:05 pm to Choctaw)
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Saban did not build the team from the ground up
Ignorance is bliss  
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TigerB8
LSU Fan
Marietta, GA
Member since Oct 2003
2536 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:06 pm to Choctaw)
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Saban did not build the team from the ground up
Well, coaches don't usually get fired for doing well. Saban replaced a fired coach. The program was in a shambles and he made the administration build elite facilities that are a fantastic recruiting tool. So, he really did have quite a full plate as opposed to Miles inheriting a team that was 2 years removed from a national title.
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icemaverick
LSU Fan
Baton rouge
Member since Sep 2010
16 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:08 pm to icemaverick)
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I dont see where anyone is saying LSU's program sucks or is dying.
I think everyone can agree that the offense is awful and has been since 07'
Yes i know or team is built around a DEF and a run game which i like actually.
Miles has a history of inconsistant play. His teams are nortorious for playing down to teams. ( Towson, La Tech, idaho, etc) and has a bad habit of playing not to lose, rather than playing to win.( Tenn on monday night comes to mind) Those things are coaching problems. Not getting a team ready for bowl games is a coaching problem. ( NC and chicken bowl)
Making stupid decisions throught his career has been a problem here at LSU. ( OLE MISS, TENN, PENN ST, CLLEMSON games to name a few).
Now has he won a lot of games- Hell yea and im grateful
Has he lost games that they should have won- OF COURSE
Has he won games that he should have lost- YES
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Choctaw
Navy Fan
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
39768 posts
| re: Just so people realize, IT AINT STUD's Offense (Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:10 pm to Kunka)
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Ignorance is bliss
look...i understand that you probably started following LSU around 2001...but you have no idea what you're talking about.
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