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weagle99 Ridin' on the Gus Bus Member since Nov 2011 4139 posts

| Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:01 pm)
If someone was living in your home and not paying for anything (rent, utilities, food) would you allow them to have an equal say in how the money in your home was spent? In other words, if you were the breadwinner for the household would the payment free boarder have just as much of a right to determine the home's budget as you? Why?
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MoreOrLes  LSU Fan Member since Nov 2008 14899 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:09 pm to weagle99)
If its your SO than yes If not Than hell no
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sgallo3  USA Fan Member since Sep 2008 14421 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:10 pm to MoreOrLes)
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If its your SO than yes If not Than hell no
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lilbadness  LSU Fan Texas Member since Oct 2007 1535 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:25 pm to weagle99)
No
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onelochevy  LSU Fan Slidell, LA Member since Jan 2011 4087 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:26 pm to sgallo3)
No
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udtiger  LSU Fan Louisiana Member since Nov 2006 17950 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:46 pm to onelochevy)
frick no. Here's another: If someone broke into your house, could the government require you to ignore the intrusion, ignore whatever he stole, and pay for his kids' education?
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weagle99 Ridin' on the Gus Bus Member since Nov 2011 4139 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:10 pm to udtiger)
Of course, I am wondering how the situation in the OP is different than our electoral process... Why do people who contribute nothing to the funding of the country have an equal say as those who pay the bills? Why does the vote of a parasite cancel the vote of the producer?
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Willie Stroker  LSU Fan Houston...ish Member since Sep 2008 4320 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:22 pm to weagle99)
Well no. But I do see a difference in your comparison. Unless someone on this forum is ancient, most of us have never lived in a society where there was not an expectation that people could be eligible for government money without making a meaningful contribution. Yet few if any of us have lived in a household where no contribution was expected or even tolerated. Property rights are awesome. Public entitlements...not so much. I guess that's the point you were trying to make, but once that point is made, I don't see much potential for this thread.
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weagle99 Ridin' on the Gus Bus Member since Nov 2011 4139 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:31 pm to Willie Stroker)
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Unless someone on this forum is ancient, most of us have never lived in a society where there was not an expectation that people could be eligible for government money without making a meaningful contribution. Yet few if any of us have lived in a household where no contribution was expected or even tolerated. Property rights are awesome. Public entitlements...not so much. I guess that's the point you were trying to make, but once that point is made, I don't see much potential for this thread.
Actually, I was setting-up an argument that the votes of people who pay taxes should count more than the votes of people who don't pay taxes or receive certain government benefits. Many people are aghast at the notion that some peoples' votes should count more than others, however they would have no problem with a similar arrangement in their personal lives.
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double d  Texas A&M Fan H'ville Home of the Tigers Member since Jun 2004 3735 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:25 pm to weagle99)
Hell no they wouldn't have a say. Even if they were paying rent they would have some input but all decisions would be made by the man whose name is on the mortgage!
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Vegas Bengal Member since Feb 2008 19108 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:40 pm to weagle99)
Ah the myth continues. Hate to break it to you but everyone pays taxes.
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Finally, incorporating the additional—and significant—other forms of taxation into our calculation leads to the conclusion that nearly 100 percent of Americans pay taxes in some way, shape or form. All consumers bear the burden of state and local property, sales, and income taxes, as well as excise taxes on items like gasoline, alcohol, or cigarettes. These other taxes tend to be regressive, imposing more of a burden on low-income families than on high-income families—the state and local tax burden is over twice as large as the federal tax burden for the bottom fifth of households (Citizens for Tax Justice 2011). When you fill up your car with gasoline, you can’t avoid paying the tax. The pump does not differentiate between the richest Americans and the poorest families.
LINK
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ddeeeffff  Florida Fan Member since Mar 2009 112 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:40 pm to weagle99)
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Actually, I was setting-up an argument that the votes of people who pay taxes should count more than the votes of people who don't pay taxes or receive certain government benefits. Many people are aghast at the notion that some peoples' votes should count more than others, however they would have no problem with a similar arrangement in their personal lives.
Sure this sounds good in first order effects, but wait a couple generations and what happens? You end up with real class stratification where the "upper" class who pay taxes and control the electoral system tweaks government so that they and their progeny can stay in the "upper" class. After a few more generations, you begin to be able to tell if somebody's in the "upper" class by their last name. And then you have India's caste system or civil war. United States used to have a related system where only white male property owners got to vote. If it were so great why didn't we stick with it? FYI Andrew Jackson helped remove the property requirement. Rhode Island required a rebellion.
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jclem11  Indiana Fan Houston, Texas Member since Nov 2011 2071 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:41 pm to MoreOrLes)
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Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? If its your SO than yes If not Than hell no
Correct answer
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foshizzle  LSU Fan Member since Mar 2008 25054 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:44 pm to weagle99)
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Why do people who contribute nothing to the funding of the country have an equal say as those who pay the bills? Why does the vote of a parasite cancel the vote of the producer?
There's actually a good reason for this. People who aren't doing anything can suddenly get very motivated by the right rabble-rouser to be highly destructive in a revolution. Paying them off keeps everyone out of trouble.
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thetigerman  LSU Fan Member since Sep 2006 1422 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:47 pm to weagle99)
People need to stop comparing the federal budget to a household budget. They are not analogous.
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Willie Stroker  LSU Fan Houston...ish Member since Sep 2008 4320 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:51 pm to Vegas Bengal)
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Ah the myth continues. Hate to break it to you but everyone pays taxes.
Not everyone pays taxes with money they earn. Entitlement money being returned to the government is not the same as paying taxes from income earned in exchange for labor. Feel free to feel differently.
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CrimsonTideMD  Alabama Fan Member since Dec 2010 740 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:29 pm to Willie Stroker)
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Not everyone pays taxes with money they earn. Entitlement money being returned to the government is not the same as paying taxes from income earned in exchange for labor.
Exactly. Everybody pays taxes. Some just do it with my money.
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matthew25  Ole Miss Fan Member since Jun 2012 1506 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:50 pm to CrimsonTideMD)
Old folks in wheelchairs do not deserve to vote. Veterans without an arm or leg do not deserve to vote. Laid off people, or make less than $15.38 per hour do not deserve to vote. Or housewives. Or, as per the constitution, women or blacks.
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panama city tigerfan  LSU Fan panama city florida Member since Sep 2003 933 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:11 am to Vegas Bengal)
The issue is income taxes. Let's try and dilute and water everything down and blame it all on Bush. You know what he means so why post some irrelevant BS?
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joshnorris14  Florida Fan Florida Member since Jan 2009 19488 posts

| re: Would a payment free boarder have a say in your home's budget? (Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:20 am to weagle99)
This is a terrible analogy. It would only be analogous if you owned the entire area that is the United States. And the answer, is obviously not. However, in this situation the problem isn't the "freeloaders", it's the people who are stealing.
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