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Chicken 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:51 pm to FootballNostradamus)
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It's been proven time and time again that when you spread these SEC defenses out that good QB play can take advantage of them. These defenses are insolated by a conference that plays its games in a phone booth and isn't dynamic offensively.
LSU handily beat Oregon and West Virginia last year, two of the best offenses in the country...not sure what data you are using for this opinion.
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tigerNation09 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:52 pm to FootballNostradamus)
You do switch around teams alot, I have no idea who team you're a fan of tbh 
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FootballNostradamus 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:52 pm to boXerrumble)
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What IS news is the fact that Louisville completely shredded the #1 pass efficiency defense in the country.
This is what I'm saying. IYO, are these SEC defenses really that elite or just a product of zero vertical passing offenses?
Florida doesn't give-up a TD pass of over 15 yards the entire season (the only NCAA team not to do so) yet they give-up 2 last night to the Co-Big East Champ?
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boXerrumble 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:53 pm to FootballNostradamus)
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They also had the ball inside Florida's 10 twice and didn't come away with points because of penalties (once was on the fumble recovery that you mentioned).
The game wasn't even close. The only time Florida moved the ball was on gadget plays.
Driskel also threw another pick early in the 4th Q that could've made it a 2 score game.
Plus, the damn onside kick (Why the frick Muschamp?) killed anything that UF had coming out of the half.
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boXerrumble
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:54 pm to FootballNostradamus)
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This is what I'm saying. IYO, are these SEC defenses really that elite or just a product of zero vertical passing offenses?
I think a combination of both. I mean Murray shredded Nebraska's defense in the Capital One Bowl, but threw 3 INT's against UF, and UGA only scored 17.
Its somewhere in the middle.
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SaintCajun 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:58 pm to Chicken)
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LSU handily beat Oregon and West Virginia last year, two of the best offenses in the country...not sure what data you are using for this opinion.
Oregon had 335 yards of offense and WVU had 553 yards. Yes lsu won but its not like they completely shut either team down
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elposter 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:59 pm to FootballNostradamus)
You are over reacting and ignoring a bunch of examples of where supposedly unstoppable offenses ran into SEC defenses and were shut down (think about BCSCG for example).
As far as last night, Bridgewater was simply on fire. He and his receivers hooked up on several big throws that were absolute perfect plays that were actually defended pretty well. Sometimes, that is just going to happen where the other teams makes great plays even against good defenses. Louisville's offense was responsible for 26 points I think which is very impressive, but we not talking about a 50 point barrage here.
Another point with respect to both the UF and LSU games is that a ton of fault goes to the UF and LSU offenses who were plain awful and could not stay on the field and therefore hung their defenses out to dry. Plus, LSU held Clemson WAY below their scoring average for the season. The LSU game was lost because of LSU's offense, not defense.
As for OSU last year, Alabama's defense last year was A LOT better than Alabama's defense this year. I think they would have handled OSU's offense. Same for LSU's defense.
With all that said, I think that the game of football is becoming more and more offensively friendly across the board. It's damn hard to hold a team under 20 points now days.
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FootballNostradamus
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:01 pm to Chicken)
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LSU handily beat Oregon and West Virginia last year, two of the best offenses in the country...not sure what data you are using for this opinion.
Lol.
Oregon had attrocious QB play last year and doesn't run an offensive attack that relies on moving the ball through the air.
And LSU was absolutely superior to WVU last year, but you don't think WVU's 4 turnovers and LSU's special teams TD had a large impact in that victory? WVU had over 500 yards of offenses and 450 yards passing. Pretty sure that makes the argument for me.
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RollTide1987
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:03 pm to SaintCajun)
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Oregon had 335 yards of offense and WVU had 553 yards. Yes lsu won but its not like they completely shut either team down
They beat Oregon 40-27 and West Virginia 47-21. It's the scoreboard that matters most. They did not allow them to score points, even if they did move the football.
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FootballNostradamus
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:09 pm to elposter)
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You are over reacting and ignoring a bunch of examples of where supposedly unstoppable offenses ran into SEC defenses and were shut down (think about BCSCG for example).
People are lumping Oregon in with these offenses, but they're not really who I'm talking about. Oregon is a run-first offenses that relies on screens and four verticals to attack through the air. They rely more on execution, pace, and speed than a sophisticated passing attack.
I'm talking about teams like Louisville, Oklahoma State, Clemson, Texas A&M, etc who run versatile, multiple-set spread attacks that threat defenses with numerous pass concepts.
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As far as last night, Bridgewater was simply on fire. He and his receivers hooked up on several big throws that were absolute perfect plays that were actually defended pretty well.
Teddy made some good throws, but he also had plenty of WRs running wide open. Florida couldn't cover Louisville's WRs. That seemed pretty evident.
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Louisville's offense was responsible for 26 points I think which is very impressive, but we not talking about a 50 point barrage here.
True, but they left tons of points on the board and they were up 20 at half so there's bound to be some letting-up off the gas.
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Another point with respect to both the UF and LSU games is that a ton of fault goes to the UF and LSU offenses who were plain awful and could not stay on the field and therefore hung their defenses out to dry. Plus, LSU held Clemson WAY below their scoring average for the season. The LSU game was lost because of LSU's offense, not defense.
This is a good point, and both offenses absolutely were anemic as mentioned. In LSU's case it was just that their offense sucks, but Florida was more a result of Louisville's barage forcing them to get away from their traditional offensive gameplan.
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As for OSU last year, Alabama's defense last year was A LOT better than Alabama's defense this year. I think they would have handled OSU's offense.
O I definitely think Bama's D was much better last year than this year's, it's not really close. Bama's D last year had what this year's defense lacks, a dominant passrusher. They actually had a couple of them last year haha. I'm not saying I expected OSU to throttle em, but the "OSU would've gotten slaughtered" argument doesn't hold as much argument anymore.
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Same for LSU's defense.
I think OSU would've moved the ball extremely well on LSU. They're WVU but better and WVU dropped 500+ yards on LSU.
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With all that said, I think that the game of football is becoming more and more offensively friendly across the board. It's damn hard to hold a team under 20 points now days.
This is definitely the biggest takeaway from all this  .
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RollTide1987
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:10 pm to FootballNostradamus)
2008 Oklahoma, arguably one of the greatest and most prolific offenses in college football history, was held to a mere 14 points by the Florida Gators in the BCS National Championship Game. This was an offense who had scored 60+ points in 4 or 5 straight games coming in.
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SaintCajun
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:11 pm to RollTide1987)
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They beat Oregon 40-27 and West Virginia 47-21. It's the scoreboard that matters most. They did not allow them to score points, even if they did move the football.
I agree the scoreboard is all that matters. I was just pointing out that an "elite defense" gave up 888 yards in two games
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TT9
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:11 pm to FootballNostradamus)
Just like Utah exposed the weak SEC defenses in 2009 sugar bowl. 
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lsusteve1 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:18 pm to TT9)
Clemson and UL wanted the games more......LSU gave up all of that to Clemson and STILL should have won.
What does that tell you?
LSU needs a better offense but there is no question we have superior athletes in the SEC.
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FootballNostradamus
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987)
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2008 Oklahoma, arguably one of the greatest and most prolific offenses in college football history, was held to a mere 14 points by the Florida Gators in the BCS National Championship Game. This was an offense who had scored 60+ points in 4 or 5 straight games coming in.
I was mainly talking about the last 2-3 years when the Alabama's and LSU's have taken over the SEC with their overly conservative offenses and dominant defenses.
That Florida defense was siiiiiiick!
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lsusteve1
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:20 pm to SaintCajun)
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I was just pointing out that an "elite defense" gave up 888 yards in two games
LSU gave all the underneath stuff to WVU...hence the yards.
Clemson gave up 70 in the bowl game last year....
The SEC is the best conference and it's not even close
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lsusteve1
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:21 pm to FootballNostradamus)
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That Florida defense was siiiiiiick!
Also, OU got handled in 2003 with the "Greatest Show on Turf"
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RollTide1987
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:22 pm to FootballNostradamus)
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I was mainly talking about the last 2-3 years when the Alabama's and LSU's have taken over the SEC with their overly conservative offenses and dominant defenses.
Oh. So you rig it to where only your point of view can be right? I see. Let's just completely ignore 2006-2010 and concentrate on the last year or so.
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FootballNostradamus
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:27 pm to lsusteve1)
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LSU gave all the underneath stuff to WVU...hence the yards.
He averaged over 12 yards per completion. That's pretty beastly for throwing as much as he did.
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Midwesterner 
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| re: Did Louisville Once Again Expose the Elite SEC Defenses? (Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:33 pm to lsusteve1)
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Also, OU got handled in 2003
21-14 in your own ghetto backyard is not "handled." Also, Jason White ran a 4.2 40 before having both knees removed.
LSU will never have the decades of tradition and fanbase class as the Big Names in NCAA football. Enjoy your perpetual inferiority complex toward Alabama, SEC fans.
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