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klrstix 
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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RogerTheShrubber
LSU is a notch below elite. Until the offense is fixed, I doubt you will see another defense to carry LSU like you did in 2011. The offense kept LSU from a title then, and it will in the foreseeable future if it doesn't change.
LSU's offense has a random feel like the staff is drawing plays from a hat. The defense will only carry them so far
I think that most football fans, commentators would disagree with your opinion of LSU being a little less than an elite program...
However I agree that with your observation regarding our offense.
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Billy Ray Valentine
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:31 pm to Choctaw)
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Choctaw
Seriously curious to hear this from a Miles supporter....
Do you believe that the LSU FB team plays to it's full potential?
If not, on a scale of 1-100, at what level of performance do you think this LSU team regularly plays with respect to the talent-level, resources available, coaching decisions, etc?
Simply stated, what level of performance do you think this coaching staff gets out of the players (effort, game plan, game day decisions, etc.)?
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:32 pm to klrstix)
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I think that most football fans, commentators would disagree with your opinion of LSU being a little less than an elite program...
Depends on how you define elite. I think LSU needs to win another championship to reach that level.
3 bowl losses out of 4 don't seem very elite. I would say from 2003-2007 LSU was in that class.
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Choctaw 
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:35 pm to Billy Ray Valentine)
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Simply stated, what level of performance do you think this coaching staff gets out of the players (effort, game plan, game day decisions, etc.)?
changes from week to week....just like most teams
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klrstix
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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RogerTheShrubber
Depends on how you define elite. I think LSU needs to win another championship to reach that level.
I am not setting the definition, merely making the point that most other college football fans and commentators would view our program as elite.
Our fans on the other hand are viewed in a totally different light...
Just sayin..
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Billy Ray Valentine
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:37 pm to lsufanz)
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My entire family and many of my friends are die hard Tiger fans and share the opinion that the programs current level of success seems to come in spite of Miles game-day decisions rather than because of them. Most would be terrified to see Chavis get tired of carrying the load and leave. None of these friends and family are on the Rant, so it's certainly not just here.
This is the basis of my OP. Miles supporters don't have to agree with these views or even give a shite if there are fans that feel this way.
But to say they're not out there & growing in number is inaccurate.
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Billy Ray Valentine
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:39 pm to Choctaw)
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changes from week to week....just like most teams
For the sake of discussion, agreggated over the past 5 years....
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lsufanz
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:47 pm to EarthwormJim)
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You know Miles has won a lot of games over his career and even a National Championship before Chavis showed up?
Well aware, I didn't jump on the bandwagon in 03. That in no way negates my concern over the game-day decisions of the coach or concern over defense having to carry the load. Does the team win that Championship that you mention with the offense of the past few years?
This post was edited on 1/3 at 2:03 pm
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hill durham
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:53 pm to klrstix)
get new offensive coaches and the tigers should be fine. but not until they get coaches that can run the ball for two yds. and have two attempts.doing so. 
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Billy Ray Valentine
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:59 pm to klrstix)
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I am not setting the definition, merely making the point that most other college football fans and commentators would view our program as elite
If there is no definition of "elite" I can say the exact opposite with just as much accuracy.
You are completely incorrect about how our fanbase is viewed across the CFB landscape. I have been all around the country represting and following LSU. Literally, almost universally LSU fans are held in the highest regard.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:01 pm to klrstix)
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I am not setting the definition, merely making the point that most other college football fans and commentators would view our program as elite.
It's all relative.
We are quibbling about being a good program or an elite team. LSU has been in worse situations before.
I think the program has room to bump up a notch.
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PeaRidgeWatash
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:04 pm to lsufanz)
Chavis has acknowledged that LSU 'a success is because of Les Miles.
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klrstix
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Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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I think the program has room to bump up a notch.
This I agree with..
The frustrating part for most LSU fans is that with just a marginally better offense, the whole picture changes...
This post was edited on 1/3 at 2:07 pm
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Choctaw
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:05 pm to Billy Ray Valentine)
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For the sake of discussion, agreggated over the past 5 years....
i'd say anywhere from 80 to 99
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lsufanz
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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LSU has been in worse situations before.
I think the program has room to bump up a notch.
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Viking5589
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:07 pm to PurpleAndGold86)
Clemsons defense gave up OVER 400 yards a GAME this season but LSU couldn't get 2 when it counted the most. PLUS they were WINNING by 11 at the start of the 4th quarter. How could ANYONE be picking rathers....................LSU LOST. THAT'S what matters. NOT Florida.
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tketaco
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:07 pm to Billy Ray Valentine)
Basketball & Baseball, moving on.
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Viking5589
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:10 pm to Choctaw)
AND got HUMILIATED in the Championship game.TOTAL humiliation.Offense was p*ss poor. And wasn't much better in THIS bowl game.
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lsufanz
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:14 pm to PeaRidgeWatash)
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Chavis has acknowledged that LSU 'a success is because of Les Miles.
1. Miles recuits well
2. Miles hired Chavis
3. What would you expect Chavis to say?
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Billy Ray Valentine
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| re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues.... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:15 pm to PeaRidgeWatash)
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Chavis has acknowledged that LSU 'a success is because of Les Miles.
...ya don't say...
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