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Fox Mulder 
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:28 pm to saintsfan22)
I get that, but it's worth noting
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saintsfan22 
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:28 pm to moneyg)
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Any time a writer goes with an "Anonymous Source", it raises the question of whether the writer himself is manufacturing the story.
Highly doubt he would manufacture this story and all those quotes.
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moneyg 
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:29 pm to Lafayette VooDoo)
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Jeff Duncan coming to the aid of Larry Holder:
Some valid, troubling criticisms were levied
Reporters these days are clueless. The criticisms are pretty damn useless when you don't have a name, or at least multiple anonymous sources received from multiple independent journalists that corroborate the story.
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saintsfan22
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:32 pm to moneyg)
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The criticisms are pretty damn useless when you don't have a name, or at least multiple anonymous sources received from multiple independent journalists that corroborate the story.
He's reporting one guy's opinion not facts, you don't need corroboration for that.
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moneyg
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:33 pm to saintsfan22)
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Highly doubt he would manufacture this story and all those quotes.
That is baseless.
If the sentiment is that widespread, there should be no problem at all with other journalists corroborating the story through their own sources. Hell, if they understand the consumers of their product, this would be a no brainer to do.
To my knowledge, that hasn't happened.
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plawmac
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:35 pm to moneyg)
A reporter could probably have run a similar "hit" piece with an anonymous player from any of the other teams that missed the playoffs (hell, probably even get a few from playoff teams). No surprise that a player doesn't like Spags, just surprised that someone decided to go public. The Saints have been pretty good about keeping things inside the clubhouse.
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Chad504boy
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:35 pm to saintsfan22)
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He's reporting one guy's opinion
do you know that this is a fact?
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:35 pm to saintsfan22)
I agree but at the same time i can understand skepticism followong the year long witch hunt. you can get anyone to say anything. How do we know a practice squad guy didnt say tgis. there is no accountability. Moreover, what is he reporting? If multiple players came forward with complaints, you have a story. One guy on the worst defense in NFL history is unhappy with leadership? Expected. But I guess we need 3 stories about it. frick LH.
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moneyg
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:36 pm to saintsfan22)
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He's reporting one guy's opinion
No. He's reporting that one guy is stating widespread dissatisfaction with Spagnuolo within the locker room. If true, other reporters should easily be able to get off the record commentary indicating the veracity of the report. None of that has happened to my knowledge.
It would be very easy for a reporter to manufacture this kind of story.
This post was edited on 1/2 at 3:37 pm
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mm2316
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:38 pm to plawmac)
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A reporter could probably have run a similar "hit" piece with an anonymous player from any of the other teams that missed the playoffs (hell, probably even get a few from playoff teams).
Exactly. I'm sure you can find one player from every team who doesn't care for a coach on their team. I think it's being overblown, and pretty stupid for Holder to run that story. It's just something to create controversy, for a team that needs to more than it has already had this year.
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moneyg
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:48 pm to mm2316)
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Exactly. I'm sure you can find one player from every team who doesn't care for a coach on their team. I think it's being overblown, and pretty stupid for Holder to run that story. It's just something to create controversy, for a team that needs to more than it has already had this year.
To me, it just shows Holder's incompetence. Assuming he didn't just make up the story, then he should have worked diligently to verify the story through multiple sources. Unless I missed it, I haven't seen him proclaim that he had more than one source.
So, Holder has what could seriously be the biggest story of the offseason...certainly the biggest story for the next few weeks...and he took an opinion, ran with it, and hasn't done anything since with the story.
So, us consumers of the information have to figure out whether we trust the journalist with no named source, and no secondary unnamed source. Then, assuming we trust the journalist, then we need to figure out if we trust the source himself (who is anonymous).
This is just another example of the lack of quality reporting out there. And, it is not outside of the realm of possibility that the story was made up completely.
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quail man 
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 4:36 pm to moneyg)
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Hell, if they understand the consumers of their product, this would be a no brainer to do
know what the second most commented story on nola.com is today? i think he did his job, and he did it well.
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504Voodoo
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 4:37 pm to Shankopotomus)
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Vilma is an a-hole.
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which is exactly what I want in my linebackers
This.
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moneyg
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:19 pm to quail man)
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know what the second most commented story on nola.com is today? i think he did his job, and he did it well.
From Nola.com's standpoint, sure. From the readers' perspective...Not really.
We are mostly talking about the issues surrounding the accusation, rather than the accusations itself. If it were "proven" the discussion would move toward Spagnuolo instead.
Everyone wants to know whether it is true. Yet, he took was is presumably great information and has reported on it as if it is an anonymous rumor. So, most people just don't know what to believe the truth is.
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tigerbait3488
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:55 pm to moneyg)
Buddy of mine at TP says its Shanle.
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quail man
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:17 am to tigerbait3488)
buddy of mine at TP says your buddy is wrong
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Lafayette VooDoo
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| re: Vilma Chimes in Larry Holder's "Anonymous Source"... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:20 am to quail man)
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buddy of mine at TP says your buddy is wrong
an unnamed source of mine says it's Roger Goodell
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