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Melvin 
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| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:22 pm to Champagne)
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I'm talking about a franchise that can sustain a solid decade of excellence. THAT is what a superior NFL franchise does.
Like being a top 3 offense for nearly a decade?
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Champagne
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Oct 2007
7970 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:22 pm to eyeran)
This is a bad football team. This is a mediocre franchise.
When the Owner and FO can admit this and commit to doing something about it, we will be on the road to excellence.
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THRILLHO
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Member since Apr 2006
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| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:22 pm to Champagne)
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That's not how good NFL franchises roll, and the Saints are NOT one of the "good" franchises. It's a mediocre record overall with a bright spot in 2009.
 How many teams have had better stretches than we have since 2006?
Definitely better:
Giants (who, by the way, have won 2 SBs but frequently looked like shite between)
Steelers
MAYBE better:
Colts (even though we beat them head to head in the SB, I'll give them the edge)
Packers
So, at most, 4 out of 31 teams would prefer their own outcomes over the past 6 seasons to what we accomplished.
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craigbiggio 
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
2421 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:23 pm to Champagne)
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The FO has shown NO ability to put ALL of the pieces in place to build a franchise that will consistently win playoff game, after playoff game, over the course of a decade
Playoff appearances in 06, 09, 10 and 11. Wins in all appearances but 10.
Only teams I can think on that level of success in that time frame are NE, BAL, Indy, Pitt, NYG and GB.
This post was edited on 12/30 at 3:24 pm
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c on z
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Mar 2009
46454 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:23 pm to Champagne)
People need to realize that the Bucs once won a superbowl. Then they went back to being a dumpsterfire. There is nothing wrong with the OP.
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UVa JD 1987
LSU Fan
Monroe, Louisiana
Member since May 2012
52 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:23 pm to St Augustine)
10.5 wins per year over the last five (including the ONLY NFL season without a head coach) is NOT the product of a mediocre franchise.
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eyeran
New Orleans Saints Fan
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
15118 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:23 pm to Melvin)
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Like being a top 3 offense for nearly a decade?
And bottom 3 on defense during that same period.
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lsufan112001 
Southeastern LA Fan
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Member since Oct 2006
5101 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:24 pm to craigbiggio)
This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchis
your title makes no sense. 7 and 9 isn't bad. and a team that has quite a few wins in the playoffs and a SB since 06 is not a bad team... and it's one of the most valuable franchises
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Hoodoo Man
LSU Fan
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
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| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:25 pm to eyeran)
I'm sorry, we might not be "superior."
Does that make us "mediocre?"
Please, someone answer me.
This post was edited on 12/30 at 3:26 pm
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LSUZombie
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge Cemetery
Member since Apr 2008
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| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:25 pm to Champagne)
The Saints organization has been lauded as being a first class organization by players and coaches (current and former).
The team, this year, has been a poor one, but I fully expect 10+ wins next year with Payton back
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c on z
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Mar 2009
46454 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:26 pm to lsufan112001)
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7 and 9 isn't bad
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St Augustine
New Orleans Saints Fan
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
36575 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:26 pm to eyeran)
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Amazing
30ppg and 400 yards every week. Offense's fault for not being all time great...
Welcome to the NFL where your offense shouldn't have to score 8 million points to win. 30ppg should get the job done without a carnival show on defense.
Meh that nfl is becoming a distant memory. Multiple, multiple times this season the offense has gone on a sustained hiatus only to pad stats late in the game. Often times how and when you score those points tells the tale of the game.
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motorbreath
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2004
3244 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:27 pm to Champagne)
There aren't enough synonyms of the word stupid to describe the OP. you could say the pats were lucky to get belichick and Brady. If this, if that. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
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craigbiggio
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
2421 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:27 pm to LSUZombie)
This is what he posted in the Falcons thread:
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Yeah, they are stupid. Dimitroff and Smith, in five years, built up a roster on both sides of the ball -- a roster good enough to get the 1 seed twice in five years -- and they are stupid. Yeah. Meanwhile in the same five years, the Saints roster is slightly improved on O and horribly awful on D.
In his mind, a team that is 0-3 in the PO since 2006 is > a team that is 5-3 in the PO with a SB win.
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Supernova
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jan 2012
1199 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:27 pm to Champagne)
There is a lot of trash on that defense. It has been like this since the Dome Patrol ended. These a-holes on defense cost this team at least two more Super Bowls.
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teeMike
LSU Fan
Member since Feb 2007
3283 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:27 pm to Champagne)
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This is a bad football team
This is a bad defense but not a completely bad football team.
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a mediocre franchise
History bears this out. Can't argue with this one.
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Hoodoo Man
LSU Fan
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
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| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:28 pm to St Augustine)
Talk about knee-jerk reactions.
We have a bad season for OBVIOUS reasons and suddenly we're a "mediocre" franchise.
Champagne, you can absolutely go frick yourself.
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SouljaBreauxTellEm
LSU Fan
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
20622 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:30 pm to UVa JD 1987)
ikr
Since 2006, Payton/Brees first season in New Orleans.. No other team in the entire fricking NFL had more wins than the Saints heading into this year.
OP wrap your little brain around that dumbass.
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eyeran
New Orleans Saints Fan
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
15118 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:30 pm to St Augustine)
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Meh that nfl is becoming a distant memory. Multiple, multiple times this season the offense has gone on a sustained hiatus only to pad stats late in the game. Often times how and when you score those points tells the tale of the game.
This is true. The offense wasn't what it has been. But it was still one of the 5 best in the league.
You simply can't watch the Saints this year, or the past 7 years for that matter, and decide offense is where the problems are
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Supernova
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jan 2012
1199 posts
| re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise. (Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:30 pm to Champagne)
Also I want to add. Brees has been shite this season. Not all the blame goes on the defense.
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