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Ysebaert
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 7:48 pm to fr33manator)
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The answer's a simple one, Life, and choosing life, That honor might be reclaimed, That long and fruitful life, Might wash away the shame, For the man who dies needless, Who bears no sons, to pick, Up sword and plow and babe, What good serves him, His precious honor? What more can be wrought, With life? For no dead men, Ever built things great, Or small, or claimed revenge. No, the dying gasp for life, And with life to win chance anew. So the dead can keep their honor, While the living weep, and do, The things in death they left undone.
You didn't credit anyone; did you just write that off the cuff?
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fr33manator 
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 7:49 pm to jrodLSUke)
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That poem is impressive. I'm not familiar; who is the author.
If I were to give you other men's words, I'd damn well give them the honor for it.
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fr33manator
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 7:50 pm to Ysebaert)
Google is the bane of plagiarists. Search, and see what you find.
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Ysebaert
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 7:55 pm to fr33manator)
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20MuleTeam
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 8:15 pm to JabarkusRussell)
Depends on what you mean by shame. Not worth dying for others silly notions of what's worthy of dying for, your country in all these recent stupid wars is a big example.
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yurintroubl 
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 8:17 pm to JabarkusRussell)
Depends on the sacrifice.
I'd take living in shame 99% of time, though. I'm fairly sure I've done some things I should be more ashamed of than I am. 
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AUCE05 
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 8:17 pm to JabarkusRussell)
There's no coming back from dead
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Alahunter 
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 8:22 pm to JabarkusRussell)
It would depend on the situation. One like the Titanic, I would hope that I had the fortitude to give my spot to a child and/or mother, rather than watch and listen to them die because I was a coward.
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fr33manator
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 8:44 pm to Alahunter)
You know, it is an interesting dilemma. Let's say you are the last surviving son of an important family, the heir to an empire. "common" men and women are dying all around you, so what's a few more potatoes in the stew? You would provide work and jobs and industry, and continue on a legacy.
What do you do?
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Alahunter
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:02 pm to fr33manator)
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You know, it is an interesting dilemma. Let's say you are the last surviving son of an important family, the heir to an empire. "common" men and women are dying all around you, so what's a few more potatoes in the stew? You would provide work and jobs and industry, and continue on a legacy.
What do you do?
I hope, what I believe is right, and save as many as I could with no thought to myself. Empires come and go and no one person is greater than any other, in regards to importance of life, imo. In the end, I'm sure there would be fear. Doing what is right and just in the face of fear, is what I hope I would have the courage to do.
Having said that, every instance is different. If you had women and children vs say.. a murder convict, I'm sure my thought process and sacrifice would be different, although, it probably shouldn't be.
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fr33manator
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:11 pm to Alahunter)
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Empires come and go and no one person is greater than any other, in regards to importance of life, imo.
Do you really believe that though? I think we try to tell ourselves that because that's the way we've been programmed to think. But deep in our heart of hearts, our family dog probably holds more value than some crackhead thug.
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Alahunter
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:14 pm to fr33manator)
I sorta answered that at the end, when it gets down to it, I think everyone values some lives more than others, such as a child or woman, vs a convicted murderer. I think it basically boils down to the situation at hand though. Kinda like a story that happened last year, when a man drowned, saving a child in a rip current. Some things, you just react to, with no thought of the risk to yourself.. or hopefully do in certain situations.
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fr33manator
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:25 pm to Alahunter)
From a purely darwinian standpoint, all that really matters is the continuance of our bloodline. Part of why eventhe families and communities of murderers and ne'er-do-wells are still more likely to fight for their "own" no matter how horrid their crimes.
It's all tribal
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JabarkusRussell
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:16 pm to fr33manator)
In that case, I have a legit excuse to be selfish . I'm the last male namesake of my family so if I die, so too does my family name.
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Darla Hood 
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:24 pm to JabarkusRussell)
I know for sure that I'd die for my son. I am certain of nothing else.
ETA: Shame is survivable.
This post was edited on 12/29 at 11:27 pm
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LSUtoOmaha
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:54 pm to fr33manator)
You wrote that poem? Amazing
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:56 pm to yurintroubl)
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I'd take living in shame 99% of time, though. I'm fairly sure I've done some things I should be more ashamed of than I am.
I'm pretty good at blotting out the memory.
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fr33manator
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:59 pm to LSUtoOmaha)
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it.
This post was edited on 12/30 at 4:49 am
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SenorTiger9
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:00 am to JabarkusRussell)
Live with shame
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blzr 
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| re: Would You Rather Die with Honor or Live with Shame? (Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:01 am to JabarkusRussell)
Live with shame, better than being nothing. Pretty easy choice.
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