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Darth_Vader 
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:52 am to Ysebaert)
OP is a perfect example of why propaganda is so damn effective.
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Ysebaert
Member since Oct 2011
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:00 am to Darth_Vader)
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OP is a perfect example of why propaganda is so damn effective.
Dude...they had graphs. It was awesome. Anyways, my OP really wasn't political. I just watched the film and thought damn that's fricked up. If it's not true or partially true or whatever the frick true doesn't really matter to me. I am 100% IN the rat race regardless.
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HubbaBubba 
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:10 am to Ysebaert)
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I am 100% IN the rat race regardless.
What you are is gullible, naive and easily prone to suggestion and innuendo. Something tells me that success as a leader is not in your future.
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Ysebaert
Member since Oct 2011
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:15 am to HubbaBubba)
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Something tells me that success as a leader is not in your future.
A leader into what? I digress, but yeah you're right. I ain't leading nobody nowhere.
ETA: I am so not naive it just might blow your mind. Not bragging. Just stating for the record. The OT record. Which is kind of a big deal don't you think? But again, with regard to leadership, you could not be more correct.
This post was edited on 12/27 at 1:21 am
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TheDiesel 
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:20 am to Ysebaert)
What's your major?
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15sammy34
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:21 am to Darth_Vader)
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OP is a perfect example of why propaganda is so damn effective.
You're just succumbing to conservative propaganda if you don't believe all the unsubstantiated claims thrown out by the left.
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Ysebaert
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:22 am to TheDiesel)
Psychology. My SSN is....
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rickyh
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:24 am to Ysebaert)
So the entire world is being clear cut. The barrier reefs are dying. The ozone layer is diminishing. The ice caps are melting. The Earths temperature is rising. And you are worried about what? And you believe in evolution too I bet. All good things come to an end. If you have a beef with the oil companies quit buying gas, wearing clothes. And everything made out of plastic. That will show them greedy so and so's.
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15sammy34
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:26 am to rickyh)
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and you believe in evolution too I bet.
There is an argument that could be raised that we are evolved to a point of being able to understand our planet, on some basic level, and what is good for it and what is not. What we can do to make sure to do to sustain life on the planet and what to avoid.
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supatigah
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:55 am to Ysebaert)
Disclaimer: I work for the largest oil and gas service company in the world
Couple of points
When the Marcellus first began the Pennsylvania DEQ was poorly equipped to regulate it. That is no longer the case.
The biggest environmental hazard is on the surface where local yokels and Mexicans are routinely rushed through the CDL process and then put on the roads. Traffic accidents caused by vacuum trucks unsafely driven on county roads is an epidemic in every shale play. That is a state regulatory problem.
They were flowing back the frac fluids and discharging back into water ways in the early days in Pennsylvania but that has been shut down.
The heavy trucks tear up county roads and cause unsafe driving conditions for civilians.
The work sites used to be routinely torn up but a cottage industry of lawyers that protect the land owners is booming. Land owners are much more savvy about vocalizing the misuse of their land and access.
As far as water tables being contaminated that has been debunked. Lighting the well water from the tap on gasland is a natural phenomenon from organic matter in the aquifer degrading and creating methane gas. That is an issue as old as water wells themselves. Has nothing to do with fracking
Most E&Ps now have facilities that recover, process and reuse the water so discharge issues have been addressed. Water is now a reusable resource that is very profitable for the service companies.
The chemicals they use are primarily polymers to aid in pumping the water but they degrade when the water is returned to the surface. The most hazardous chemicals are biocides used to defoul the water before they pump it to prevent souring the formation. The biocides degrade and deplete as well when they flow back the well.
If you want to be concerned about something be concerned about:
Disposal wells that pump all kinds of nasty stuff into the deep formations are woefully under regulated and always have been
and "disposable" pipelines that are built with 7-10 yr life expectancies are a huge concern. Those pipelines are routinely carrying millions of cubic feet of gas per day under 600-900 psi and are poorly maintained in some cases. Pipelines built in the 60s, 70s and 80s were built for long life, these new pipelines are thrown together and the transmission companies fight the E&PS constantly on their operating practices. Pipelines in the shales are built knowing the shale has a relatively short production life so they scrimp on the materials and QC. Water and sand/solids build up dramatically accelerates corrosion and these pipelines will fail eventually.
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Dooshay
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:00 am to supatigah)
Beum
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Ysebaert
Member since Oct 2011
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:19 am to supatigah)
Your post disproves my OP in that it shows you do care or are at least aware; although I do think there is a contigency in the industry that just wants to maximize profit. I am going to use the P word in the OT - but there is a reason fracking is a political issue. I want to consume too; but responsibly and with regard to other people and the earth if possible. Thank you for posting.
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Layabout 
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:45 am to z71 Rebel)
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If offshore drilling is so harmful to the environment, why does the ecosystem thrive and wildlife congregate around them?
I don't know. Ask BP.
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Geauxtiga
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:32 am to Ysebaert)
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This is not a political thread and I can edit the post to include a picture of a hot chick to make it more appropriate for the OT if necessary.
I'm just glad to know you like chicks, and not dicks.
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Hulkklogan
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:34 am to Ysebaert)
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f you really think that the oil and gas industry gives a frick about people and the environment, they don't. They just want to make money. If you think there should be less regulation and just trust companies to do the right things with regard to people and the earth, they won't
I don't think companies will care about anything but money. I am just against the government taking power.
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Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:59 am to Ysebaert)
First off you are watching a show that only presents one side so that is a problem right off the bat. Second, if the oil industry would plunder the earth like you propose, there would be no resources left to explore. It would be against their best interest both financially and public relations wise to be fool hearty as you suggest. You say all they want is to make money? All companies want to make a profit and that includes those who you view as less sinister. Lastly, you act as if the oil industry doesn't help the common man? There isn't many products you own or use that didn't use some type of petroleum derivative to be made. So maybe you might want to look at both sides of the story before you take a crap in your own punch bowl?
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Big Floppy TDs
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:03 am to Revelator)
I don't think the OP knows what propaganda is
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Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:15 am to Big Floppy TDs)
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I don't think the OP knows what propaganda is
Yes. I love the way he watches one HBO special and is now an expert on fracking. Next week he'll watch Oliver Stones JFK and be on here telling us all about the intricacies of the assassination!
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Hulkklogan
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:19 am to Ysebaert)
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Just watched the HBO special on fracking....
I'll be honest, I thought this was a euphemism.
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Tigerfan613
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| re: Just watched the HBO special on fracking.... (Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:29 am to Hulkklogan)
You do realize that countries like Saudi Arabia and other major international oil producers are funding films like these to stop land production? They have known about land oil reserves for quite some time now but have now figured out a way to get it out of the ground.
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