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accnodefense
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We also had an amendment to end all alcohol sales. By the same logic people use on here, it should have never been touched because it was in the constitution so god forbid we discuss it!


Prohibition wasn't in the bill of rights

If its in the bill of rights, it's untouchable






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SlowFlowPro
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If you want to be governed by soundbites of someone from the late 1790s, they would be most applicable in a society that existed in the 1790s.

we're talking about a governmental documents built on a political basics that are thousands of years old, though

yeah, only some crazy people think individuals should be able to own nukes, but personal defense arms? that's simple






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SlowFlowPro
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Prohibition wasn't in the bill of rights

If its in the bill of rights, it's untouchable

what? no man...no

the "bill of rights" is just the first 10 amendments. they hold the same weight as any other amendment






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GeorgeTheGreek
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If its in the bill of rights, it's untouchable


Not saying I disagree, but why?






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GeorgeTheGreek
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As weak as burt reynolds argument was, here is the other side ...





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Broketec
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we're talking about a governmental documents built on a political basics that are thousands of years old, though


Political basics is key here.

Right to own items of self defense.

To completely dismiss the idea that maybe in some form or fashion the right to arm yourself should be revisited, not in if we can or cannot arm ourselves - but with what can we arm ourselves, every so often is foolish.
And that was the point I was getting at. Using 200 year old quotes, all while ignoring our current 21st century society and its problems is foolish.






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Mike da Tigah
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Maybe not in theory, but in practicality, some of them do not apply any longer and require a serious update.

If you want to be governed by soundbites of someone from the late 1790s, they would be most applicable in a society that existed in the 1790s.


I know we like to think we're so different but we are still the same humans with the very same faults and tendencies as any other time. To ignore warnings and sound reasoning from a group of men who had first hand experience with huge and oppressive government while we've experienced almost nothing in comparison is the action of a teenager telling their dad that he doesn't understand how people are because he was born three decades prior. Ah, but how wise old dad gets when we get older and experience real life for ourselves.






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SlowFlowPro
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And that was the point I was getting at. Using 200 year old quotes, all while ignoring our current 21st century society and its problems is foolish.

i don't think you understand the meaning behind those quotes. they're timeless and are applicable if we're talking about semi-auto 223s, bows and arrows, or throwing sticks






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Vegas Bengal
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I don't post here anymore but I do lurk on occasion. It's disappointing that this forum has become"(even more of) a joke with poo being flung about rather than serious discussion and unattributed BS threads like this left unchecked. Note how none of these quotes have cites.

Let's look at Jefferson's supposed quotes:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
This is not a quote from Jefferson LINK

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms
This is the only actual Jefferson quote.

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
This is not a quote from Jefferson LINK

When people fear their government, there is tyranny. When government fears the people, there is liberty
This is not a quote from Jefferson LINK

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants.
This is not a quote from Jefferson
LINK

Americans have the right and advantage of being armed--unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms
This is not a quote from Jefferson. It's actually paraphrasing Madison LINK /

Ive read attempts by the likes of Eze and Gusto and Roaad to steer this board away from Rantish type behavior. No luck. Instead Liberals are banned for being "hacks" yet trash like this goes on every day and good Conservative posters post less. And so it goes.

Anyway... This is my one rant of 2012. Continue with your poo.






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PaddlingTiger
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I'm talking about restriction of any firearm. Note as said firearm, not nuke, not chemical weapon, not tank, not fighter jet, not nuclear sub... etc.


Cool. I want me one of these bad*ss navy guns! Maybe I can mount it on the second floor balcony of the house for when the government troops come to take my stuff away!






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braindeadboxer
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PaddlingTiger


Thats not a firearm.






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braindeadboxer
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Vegas Bengal


Alright, I'll play. While you have negated 5 quotes listed, the others remain. So while you can debunk a couple of them, you can't debunk the principle for which they stand. I'm sure you won't post, but hopefully you'll see.

I promise I'll start source checking and posting the sources.




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PaddlingTiger
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Thats not a firearm.


Who gets to decide...and I guarantee you I can find lots of other military weapons that fall under your definition of "firearms" that will never be sold to the general public and with good reason.

I love how you are crawfishing to firearms now. The 2nd Amendment says keep and bear "arms". Yesterday you yahoos were all saying that means the same arms as the military uses despite that obviously not being the case. Then you all started arguing that you could take on the US Government with assault weapons and guerrilla tactics. I am still laughing about that discussion.

There is truly a special brand of crazy on the poliboard that is hard to find anywhere else. It is hilarious to see the twisted logic that is popping up here when reasonable people on both sides of the aisle start talking about ways to keep crazy people from getting guns and shooting up classrooms, malls, movie theaters etc.



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Just kidding. Seriously, I enjoyed your posting. You should come back from time to time.






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braindeadboxer
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PaddlingTiger


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The 2nd Amendment says keep and bear "arms"


I was referring to the numerous occasions where the founding fathers said "firearms."

Nice try






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Tigerlaff
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Maybe not in theory, but in practicality, some of them do not apply any longer and require a serious update.

If you want to be governed by soundbites of someone from the late 1790s, they would be most applicable in a society that existed in the 1790s.


It doesn't matter if you think it's outdated. Original intent is the only way to go because it holds legitimacy. We can mostly all agree on what the original intent is. We cannot all agree on what it ought to be today. Their intent confers legitimate authority to the law. Your alternative ideas do not.

If you don't like the original intent of the law, then openly go around advocating for a constitutional convention to abolish the amendment and replace it with a modified one. Things have to be done in a fashion that is predictable and accepted, not by individuals who think the law should read differently today.

I have no problem with you saying the idea is outdated. I disagree, but believing differently is fine. I just want people to who want to change it to openly criticize applying that reasoning to today's world and advocate for a change in the constitution, not an attenuated and strained interpretation of the existing amendment. It seems pretty clear to me that the founders were really serious about nearly everyone being allowed to own guns.






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hypnos
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You honestly think that liberals care that the founding fathers felt that the citizenry should be on parity with the government. Of the people by the people for the people does not even register with them.





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CITWTT
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The Bill of Rights were demanded and required additions made to the Constitution to garner the votes necessary to have it ratified by the original states.





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braindeadboxer
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You honestly think that liberals care that the founding fathers felt that the citizenry should be on parity with the government. Of the people by the people for the people does not even register with them.


Oh they make that very clear. I just I love banging my head against the wall.

Maybe there's a miracle and I can rescue at least one from their ignorance.






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Mike da Tigah
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ways to keep crazy people from getting guns and shooting up classrooms, malls, movie theaters etc.


Wow, you got us yahoos. People intent to slaughter lives will just kick dirt and say "Dang, now I can't kill those people because those clever liberals got rid of guns."

you're a little slow.






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