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TN Bhoy
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I shouldn't have bitten on your comment, I should have just said you didn't understand the point of the original post. Instead I said something, my mistake.



I did understand the point of your OP. Your premise is flawed.






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mograyback
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I agree wholeheartedly and think it's an excellent comparison.


I took a political class in college and all those kids were pretentious little fricks who were in it to get their picture taken with the governor. Seriously, nobody gives a shite that you went to the victory party. You and every other POS looking for an in and a shortcut were there. It's all a joke.

You might can tell I've got some personal experience with these types of people. I heavily resent them. They end up running the local campaign (putting out signs) and are thus big time. From their they arse kiss their way into $75,000 a year governor appointed positions. They have important people's numbers on speed dial. They are now better than you. Rinse, wash, repeat.

They know just enough about politics to be dangerous, and got in it for the victory parties. Not because they genuinely want to see change.

Much like those musicians would resent the idol winner, I guess. I know too many of them. But you're absolutely right.


Thanks for posting and adding to the point. Even though I'm confident my posts do actually makes sense, it's refreshing to know an idea resonated with someone else.





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mograyback
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You have a lot of experience in the music industry?



Absolutely irrelevant to the points made in the thread. See post from Mohican, that guy understood.



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TN Bhoy
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Absolutely irrelevant to the points made in the thread. See post from Mohican, that guy understood.



One person agrees with you and immediately your post is gospel? Perhaps he's the anomaly?






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mograyback
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One person agrees with you and immediately your post is gospel? Perhaps he's the anomaly?


Yeah the one guy with a well thought out response, who showed a real life example that was in line with my thoughts is just an anomaly.






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TN Bhoy
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the one guy with a well thought out response, who showed a real life example that was in line with my thoughts



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is just an anomaly.




Seems that way.






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mograyback
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Haha, you trolls are relentless.. The stuff in between your bolded words is relevant.





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You had one guy with an anecdotal story and some bitter viewpoint on elitist hobnobbing and you feel your opinion is validated? I'm still waiting for you to prove this thread beyond just being something you think with some kind of linked study.





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TN Bhoy
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The stuff in between your bolded words is relevant.




So Cicero isn't real?






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mograyback
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Is this really that hard to understand?

The sleaziness and phoniness involved in elevating yourself through a political career repels truly great men, it's not a way of life that attracts many great people anymore.

Same is true for bs shows like Idol. It repels people that have the talent but also the human nature and character to make great music.

Take a stroll outside of pie chart and statistics land, think for a second.






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a want
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American Idol is the perfect symbol for how pathetic we've become. We're so spoiled, we can't even be bothered to hear new songs. We want to hear pretty little girls sing songs that have already been sung (and been popular enough to have been a hit). We might not like a new song for the first 2 or 3 times we hear it. We might learn something new, but that would take effort/sacrifice on our part.



American Idol is shite.






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a want
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a little





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a want
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I don't know - I just lose my mind every time I hear about American Idol I wasn't even paying attention .

I suppose on re-reading: I would say we're talking about 2 different things. American Idol deals with "stars" not necessarily musicians. Beyonce is a star. She is also a terrible musician. Radiohead is/are terrible stars but great musicians.

To your point:
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to say someone who has yet to be signed to a label wouldn't go on american idol because they are a "real" musician is laughable.

There are legit musicians who would go and some who would not go on American Idol. They each have their reasons. It really depends on your goals. Many of the musicians I know are 'artists' (who probably wouldn't go), while others are stars (and they most definitely would jump at the chance). But just because you DONT go - that doesn't' make you legit.






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Diamondawg
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The sleaziness and phoniness involved in elevating yourself through a political career repels truly great men, it's not a way of life that attracts many great people anymore.
You have never once mentioned "great women". Who are these "great men" of whom you speak? Not everyone is called to public service. I suspect it is an aversion to the public scrutiny one has to be exposed in order to get elected now a days. Politics has always been sleazy. Not all politicians have to be sleazy and phony, though, in order to get elected and serve well. A truly "great man (or woman)" could serve and serve well and not submit to the sleaziness and phoniness that you describe.

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It repels people that have the talent but also the human nature and character to make great music.
If no one has ever heard a great musician then only the musician knows how great they are. If they have not been discovered then I suspect that "great musician" in their own mind might just do whatever it takes to get discovered so that they can one day become a great musician to many more people. If Eric Clapton (plug in any name here that you consider great that has enjoyed national success) was 17 years old and trying to get discovered, I guarantee you he would jump at the chance for instant national exposure.






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Antonio Moss
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So it was proven that the truly great musicians sign up for American Idol?


There have been several great musicians on American Idol. The issue is that they are beholden to the label if they make the top ten and become overproduced.

Similarly, there have been decent human being run for political office. But by the time they make it to Washington, they are beholden to their Political Party and become flag carriers.






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a want
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If no one has ever heard a great musician then only the musician knows how great they are. If they have not been discovered then I suspect that "great musician" in their own mind might just do whatever it takes to get discovered so that they can one day become a great musician to many more people. If Eric Clapton (plug in any name here that you consider great that has enjoyed national success) was 17 years old and trying to get discovered, I guarantee you he would jump at the chance for instant national exposure.


I think the point is: today it's different than it was in Eric Clapton's day.

*Artists have something to say.

*Stars want people to hear them say something.

Stars are vastly more popular in American culture than artists. The market is more interested in simply hearing someone say something (that they've already heard). 15 minutes and on to the next one....

Eric Clapton would be less likely to 'be discovered' today than 30-40 years ago. For today's market, it takes too much 'effort' to listen to artists.






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Diamondawg
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I think the point is: today it's different than it was in Eric Clapton's day.
My point is that if Eric Clapton was 17 today, he would jump at a chance at American Idol and the instant recognition. He became, in my opinion, a great musician but probably only he knew how good he was when he was 17. I am thinking Carrie Underwood was an Idol winner, maybe. She is considered a star in her category of music. She was an unknown prior to Idol, I would think.






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