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It's great that the AD can help out the Academic side, but look at Tennessee...


If we keep going down this road, will we one day end up in a similar situation?

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Conversely there is Bama. Nobody spends more at buying victories than they do.





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At the end of the day, the AD and coaches need to understand who their employers are.

The Knoxville Cougars and Baton Rouge Bobcats would get 500 people out to a football game. The University of Tennessee and Louisiana State University bring out 90,000+






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At the end of the day, the AD and coaches need to understand who their employers are.

The Knoxville Cougars and Baton Rouge Bobcats would get 500 people out to a football game. The University of Tennessee and Louisiana State University bring out 90,000+


I understand that but it's just like any other business, if the owner takes out 45% of the profits every single year to spend on things unrelated to said business, it's going to hamper his ability to grow his business and maintain or grow those profits in future years. I understand this despite never having taken a business class in my life, so I'm quite sure the people making these decisions understand that. They just don't give a shite. And therein lies the problem for the future well being of the LSU Athletic Department.



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Right, they don't give a shite because the university has to thrive first and foremost.

If the AD and coaches don't realize this, they are idiots. And while they may think the university is a hindrance, that affiliation is the only thing that differentiates their job from someone working in the D league or Arena football






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Right, they don't give a shite because the university has to thrive first and foremost


Again, you can't just plug that money in and expect it to be there every year because what's going to happen is the AD side, deprived of it's ability to compete at the same level as it's peers, will begin to fall behind on the field, which will in turn lead to less revenue to poach. It's not a sustainable model.






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With the growth of the regional networks, if the financial projections are accurate (and they might not be), it could be sustainable.

It is obviously not wise to count on the money of others, I agree with you there. However, even the AD has to report to someone, and no university president is going to set himself up for a billion dollar lawsuit by removing tenured faculty or destroy a school by declaring financial exigency while football practice fields with dozens of flat screen TVs are being put up.






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However, even the AD has to report to someone, and no university president is going to set himself up for a billion dollar lawsuit by removing tenured faculty or destroy a school by declaring financial exigency while football practice fields with dozens of flat screen TVs are being put up.




I mean I don't care about this year, or even the next 3 or 4 or 5 years. All I'm saying is that they need to figure something out, and it starts with our illustrious governor, because this is not a long term solution.






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So what you guys are saying is the success that Miles has brought this program as helped the unuversity and community immensely. Just remember that next time you want the guy fired. We could easily be in position where the AD couldnt donate 45% of its earnings.





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Just remember that next time you want the guy fired.


I have been a staunch Miles supporter for quite some time....






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The number one solution is an amendment to the state constitution which doesn't allow education to be raided in any budget shortfall. Jindal has definitely failed in that regard.

And in the other thread, I mentioned the over-funding of redundant universities as well. In other words, LA has more universities per capita than almost any other state



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And in the other thread, I mentioned the over-funding of redundant universities as well. In other words, LA has more universities per capita than almost any other state


Would LSU ever be that redundant university?

Maybe move some of the LSU programs to ULL, ULM or some of the directional schools?

Surely not?






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I suppose they may have inferior programs in some departments, I don't really know. But I would be surprised if that's the case for the flagship school in any state system.





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The number one solution is an amendment to the state constitution which doesn't allow education to be raided in any budget shortfall.


wrong. that's what got the university/louisiana into this mess in the first place. Because of similar amendments ant statutes, education and healthcare are the only tow major categories that can be touched at all during budget shortfalls. All depts and all budgets need to be fair game.






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Because of similar amendments ant statutes, education and healthcare are the only tow major categories that can be touched at all during budget shortfalls. All depts and all budgets need to be fair game.



I agree. Allow everything to be raided, not just education and healthcare (arguably the two most important state expenditures). I can see how my wording could have been confusing though.






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The Tennessee athletic department is also paying its two recent past former football coaches $5million/year NOT to coach as part of their buyouts so they're not really a model of fiscal responsibility either. If LSU starts recycling coaches like them, then sure, I suppose they would be in the same predicament. In the mean time, this is a ridiculous comparison.





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Or, we could reduce the number of 4 year universities, converting some of those 4 years back to 2 year schools, something the state desperately needs more of. The other problem with funding LSU is that the LSU system also runs many of Louisiana's hospitals. Louisiana State University is just a small part of the LSU system which is chock full of bloated administrative salaries, redundant bureaucratic, redundant and wasteful programs and universities, and unnecessary programs that should not be run by LSU but by the private sector or HHS.





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The other problem is that when funding is cut, the administrators make sure that what is cut is the things that will be both noticeable and make people upset. That's why they cut instructors. They know that that is something that will upset students and ulumni and create the kind of political backlash that will prevent more cuts. If you don't like the effects of the cuts on LSU, don't blame Jindal. Blame the administrators.





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he other problem is that when funding is cut, the administrators make sure that what is cut is the things that will be both noticeable and make people upset. That's why they cut instructors. They know that that is something that will upset students and ulumni and create the kind of political backlash that will prevent more cuts. If you don't like the effects of the cuts on LSU, don't blame Jindal. Blame the administrators.








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They cut instructors because they can't fire professors. Professors have tenure and they are the ones responsible for bringing in millions in grant money.

Other than secretaries and academic advisers, instructors are by far the easiest people to get rid of. I don't see how this can even be argued against.






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