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VerlanderBEAST 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:23 pm to TigerintheNO)
One of the most annoying about RG3 vs Luck is how the media acts like they are polar opposites.
Andrew Luck is NOT a pocket passer
His ratio of plays inside vs outside the pocket is much closer to RG3 or Big Ben than it is to Peyton Manning or Phillip Rivers
This post was edited on 12/12 at 7:24 pm
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TTsTowel
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:24 pm to TigerBait1127)
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Cam and locker have not been spectacular.
Locker has shown flashes, and Newton has had spectacular games.
I probably shouldn't have used "spectacular" in the OP.
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TTsTowel
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:25 pm to lsu480)
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Yes there are more black QBs than ever
Too bad I didn't name all black quarterbacks, huh?
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Lsuhoohoo 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:28 pm to bomber77)
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You think RGIII is more polished than the leagues pocket passers? And Kaep whoever that is?
My wording was poor. I meant that the current crop of mobile quarterbacks are more polished passers than what you would see from the "scramblers" earlier in the decade. They tended to be projects as far as passing went. During the 4 full seasons that Vick played in ATL, he only averaged 166 passing yards per game.
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bomber77 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:32 pm to Lsuhoohoo)
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bobbyray21 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:33 pm to bomber77)
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Quarterbacks who run regularly are going to get hurt......period. Also will have shorter careers. Doug Flutie and Fran Tarkington are the only ones I know that are the exception.
Give me a pure pocket passer every time.
You're dumber than a goddamn bag of hammers.
1. There is nothing preventing a QB with speed from picking apart defenses from the pocket.
2. But there is something preventing a guy who can't run from picking up that first down when said pocket collapses.
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tduecen 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:37 pm to TTsTowel)
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Mike Vick, Cam Newton, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, and Colin Kaepernick.
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tduecen
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:37 pm to tduecen)
Why isn't Tannehill in this conversation? He was a receiver in college....
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bobbyray21
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:40 pm to bomber77)
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You think RGIII is more polished than the leagues pocket passers?
What do you mean by polished?
RG3 has a cannon for an arm, he's very accurate, and they haven't invented a throw he can't make. He runs quite a bit, but a large chunk of those are designed runs. Michael Vick, he is not.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:41 pm to SmellslikeKevinBacon)
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I agree with this. The only dual threat QB that may be able to pull off a career as a duel threat is Cam. I think this because of his size. Being bigger I think he will be able to take more hits than the smaller QB.
Steve Young says hello.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:42 pm to TigerBait1127)
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kaepernick haven't played well enough long enough to call them spectacular
Single game performances are often spectacular. Do you know what the word spectacular means?
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TTsTowel
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:47 pm to tduecen)
What is so funny? Are they not dual threat quarterbacks utilized with design rushing plays?
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GrandeBeli 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:53 pm to bobbyray21)
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1. There is nothing preventing a QB with speed from picking apart defenses from the pocket.
Football IQ and common sense
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tduecen
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:53 pm to bobbyray21)
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Steve Young says hello.
Was Young really a "dual threat" though?
He could run when he needed to but never had more than 76 rushing attempts in a single season.
I fact he only reached 60 attempts 5 times in a 15 year career.
Cam rushed for a 126 attempts last season and this year he has 104 and counting.
Griffin has 112 rushing attempts and counting
Wilson has 69 rushing attempts
Vick had 57 attempts prior to injury
Gabbert has 18 this year after 48 last seaon
Locker has 25 rushes in 8 games
Luck has 49 rushes
Tannehill has 33
Young was more like an Rodgers who by standards today is not considered a "scrambler" but someone who avoids to rush and runs when he needs to. Since taking over starting job Rodgers has run the ball at least 50 times a season with a high of 64 the season they won the Superbowl.
Oh and all the people saying running QB's break down. Randall Cunningham played till he was 38. ALthough as he got older he ran the ball less and less from his career high of 118 at 27.
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tduecen
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:00 pm to TTsTowel)
Since you are listing back ups why not include
T. Pryor
Dominique Davis
Tyrod Taylor
Pat Devlin
J. Webb
M. Flynn
Austin Davis
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bobbyray21
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:01 pm to GrandeBeli)
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1. There is nothing preventing a QB with speed from picking apart defenses from the pocket.
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Football IQ and common sense
I didn't know there was a correlation. Please elaborate.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:06 pm to tduecen)
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Was Young really a "dual threat" though?
He could run when he needed to but never had more than 76 rushing attempts in a single season.
Yeah, he was a dual threat. If it was third and long and none of his receivers were open, he's gonna take off and use his legs to get the first down.
I don't have any USFL clips to pull up, but I would venture to guess they would show a very scramble-happy Steve Young.
I think RG3 will be very similar to Young by his third year in the league. He'll still be able to run, but he'll only do it when he absolutely needs to.
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TTsTowel
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:11 pm to tduecen)
First and foremost, I said off the top of my head. Second, I named popular names that are starting or that have started recently. You could also throw Vince Young in with that quarterback category.
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GynoSandberg 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:18 pm to VerlanderBEAST)
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One of the most annoying about RG3 vs Luck is how the media acts like they are polar opposites.
49 vs 112 rush attempts
537 vs 351 pass attempts
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His ratio of plays inside vs outside the pocket is much closer to RG3 or Big Ben than it is to Peyton Manning or Phillip Rivers
Please post the proof. Luck's average pass travels 10 yards downfield, highest in the league. You don't get that average outside the pocket.
There are great throwing QBs who can scramble when the pocket collapses. Rodgers, Steve Young, Luck, Rothlisberger etc. These win championships.
Then there are QBs who have actual run plays designed for them who utilize their threat to run to help set up their passing. Vick, RG3, Cam, Russ Wilson. These don't win championships
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songofthesword 
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| re: Is the NFL taking a turn towards the more athletic quarterbacks? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:18 pm to tduecen)
I don't know but i don't like waht teh NFL has become
i was watching the cowboys / bengals game sunday and shite i dont' think i remember one run the entire fricking third quarter. I mean I like the ball passed as much as the next buy but lining up and chucking it every down, we bitch about the big 12 doing that shite but the NFL does it and it's just as sucky when they do it to me. i turned off the game and went to the movies.
i don't like the pass happy can't hit anyone NFL
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