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accnodefense
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| If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:00 pm)
Then do you also oppose those who pay no taxes taking a free ride off those who do?
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papasmurf1269 
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:04 pm to accnodefense)
Are you a union guy?
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Powerman
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:05 pm to accnodefense)
The people that pay no taxes don't have anything to fork over anyway so it's sort of a moot point
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accnodefense
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:07 pm to papasmurf1269)
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Are you a union guy?
I worked on the Las Vegas strip at a non union job... dont even get me started on those union a-holes
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papasmurf1269
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:09 pm to accnodefense)
Ok.Well to answer your question,if you want to be non union,you should stand on your own.
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boxcar willie
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:10 pm to accnodefense)
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If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union Then do you also oppose those who pay no taxes taking a free ride off those who do?
yes to both of those
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Duzz
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 12:24 am to boxcar willie)
I would support Unions of the top union organizer get no perks or get paid anything at all, all the money would then go to just sustain the union and any extra to buy gears and things of need for the union.
Also they should pay for a union worker who is unemploy for at least a few months.
Important thing is no Union Foreman is rich.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 12:27 am to accnodefense)
Unions are just another mechanism to impose egalitarianism on society.
When one joins a union, he or she is reduced to nothing more than a number. Unions are anti-individual.
And no, I don't buy the argument that they ever served a purpose.
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JLSIX 
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 12:30 am to Powerman)
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The people that pay no taxes don't have anything to fork over anyway so it's sort of a moot point
well that's because they pay no taxes under our system. That's kind of the point.
By taxes, I mean income.
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ChineseBandit58
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 6:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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I don't buy the argument that they ever served a purpose.
As much as I hate the current union thuggery, I still think they were the prime mover in correcting worker safety and welfare problems in the past.
How do you think these evils were eliminated??
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DNaquin
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:34 am to ChineseBandit58)
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I still think they were the prime mover in correcting worker safety
True
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and welfare problems
Kinda true, they fought for fair wages which is good. Then they took it too far and fought for a workers right to be lazy.
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dewster 
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:57 am to Powerman)
GE has nothing to fork over?
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Antonio Moss
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 8:57 am to accnodefense)
How do they "freeload" off the union? Unionized labor is not a necessity and no one is forcing Union members to participate.
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NaturalBeam
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:00 am to Antonio Moss)
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How do they "freeload" off the union? Unionized labor is not a necessity and no one is forcing Union members to participate.
The basis for the union guy's opposition to right to work is that the union is still negotiating on behalf of the worker who no longer has to join their union (and pay union dues) - so he is obtaining the "benefit" of the union w/o paying dues.
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Antonio Moss
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:06 am to NaturalBeam)
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union is still negotiating on behalf of the worker who no longer has to join their union (and pay union dues) - so he is obtaining the "benefit" of the union w/o paying dues.
Indirectly and not by choice.
It is the Union and Union members that are choosing to engage and negotiate with the employer. They are the ones making the choice. You can't blame someone who indirectly benefits from an unconsented to action.
Think of it in these terms. There are five houses on a street. Three of the homeowners decide to hire a lawn service to cut all five lawns because the price is cheaper than if they did it individually. After a few months, they approach one of the other homeowners and tell them that it's not fair that he isn't paying for his lawn to be cut. This homeowner says that he'd rather cut his own grass than pay someone else and he never consented to the three contracting with the lawn service on his behalf.
Would we say that this homeowner is freeloading on the other three? Should we force him to pay?
Of course not. frick Unions.
This post was edited on 12/13 at 9:09 am
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CptRusty
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:07 am to NaturalBeam)
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The basis for the union guy's opposition to right to work is that the union is still negotiating on behalf of the worker who no longer has to join their union (and pay union dues) - so he is obtaining the "benefit" of the union w/o paying dues.
That's the public position anyway. The real reason is that once membership becomes optional, the union's bankroll and power both take a massive hit. Did you know there's a teacher's union in LA? LA is a RTW state so they don't have near the clout or membership as the unions in the non-RTW states.
That said, I do agree with their position to a certain degree, although I don't see how you could keep non union member from benefiting from their negotiations.
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DapperDan
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:08 am to Powerman)
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This post was edited on 3/7 at 11:36 am
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CptRusty
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:14 am to Antonio Moss)
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Would we say that this homeowner is freeloading on the other three? Should we force him to pay?
I'll play devils advocate here, as I think your analogy is a little flawed.
Same scenario, except that instead of directly paying for the lawn service, they negotiate a lower rate with them for having 3 or more houses in the same neighborhood partaking in their service. For these negotiations, two of the houses pay the third a small negotiations fee. Then the 4th and 5th houses decide they want their lawn cut too, and are able to take the lower rate negotiated by the original 3 houses.
I think that's a bit closer to what goes on. Although yes, I agree, frick the unions. No one forces them to negotiate, it is their own private initiative to do so.
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NaturalBeam
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| re: If you oppose right to work because it lets non union workers freeload off union (Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:15 am to Antonio Moss)
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Indirectly and not by choice.
It is the Union and Union members that are choosing to engage and negotiate with the employer. They are the ones making the choice. You can't blame someone who indirectly benefits from an unconsented to action.
Oh I agree, it's just their position. And this thread does make a good point - any union guy dumb enough to believe it surely must oppose the "47%"
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