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So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


And also a question about people saying that states would never survive without federal money: wouldn't they just be able to create their own currency and value it rationally? It's not like the US dollar is based on anything to begin with.


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tigerfan182
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


"succeed" ????





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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


You're right, my mistake, thanks for pointing it out.





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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


I don't know if I can do another one of these threads. The last few were exhausting.





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So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


According to Texas v. White, no.


But all people have the inherent right to revolution.






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Joshjrn
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


They did. The Civil War changed that. The only real question is whether that's a good thing or not.





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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


Yes they do.

Otherwise the American govt would have never accepted the statehood of Texas, as it was only an independent state after seceding from Mexico. Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander


Lincoln = Santa Anna






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goatmilker
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


I think that lil ol war of rebellion proved that a viable and strong US Govt. will do what it can to prevent such state induced convulsions.
Like anything if you can get away with it and write the history...its a fact.






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They did. The Civil War changed that. The only real question is whether that's a good thing or not.


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TupeloTiger
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


Didn't the Teamsters union say today that we're going to have another Civil War now? Obama really wants change doesn't he? Secede or war, whichever comes first. Red states versus Democratic Blue states, lets go.





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jacquespene8
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


I don't think they have the right to secede from th nation while the nation remains intact. The country as a whole has the right to overthrow its own government. Sometimes I wonder if the founding fathers would be even more proud of us if we overthrew then created a new government better suited towards the people. They repeatedly made clear that this option was why we are truly free.





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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


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And also a question about people saying that states would never survive without federal money: wouldn't they just be able to create their own currency and value it rationally? It's not like the US dollar is based on anything to begin with.


Even if they seceded they could still use dollars, right?






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llfshoals
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


Nope, the US government has decreed you must be subject to it's whims.

It's been said a lot that the civil war was fought over slavery, I disagreed for a long time...then I thought about it.

It was fought over slavery, that you must be slaves to the federal government. Lincoln just thought enslaving part of the population wasn't enough.






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el duderino III
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


No, and I honestly don't get why people argue this. Did texas have the right to join the US peacefully, without the rest of the country's approval? no, so why should it be allowed to leave without the rest of the country's approval? That being said, all that would be required for us to leave would be an act of congress + presidential approval, same as the annexation act, no constitutional amendment necessary. It would take some huge concessions, like taking a fat chunk of the national debt with it, some LBJ-esque backroom dealing texas politicians, and a well funded PR campaign, but given it's heavily in the democratic party's best interests I dont think it's beyond the realm of possibility.

if you think there's a lot of support for texas independence now, watch what'll happen if they try to restrict gun rights. that there'd be whatcha call a "line in the sand" issue

ETA: i really only answered this with regards to texas, but since it was the only state with an existing government before it joined, and other states never had the right to vote to join or not, i guess the question at least merits the argument that they should. It should at least require state and federal amendment though IMO, only a simple majority would severely weaken the country, as every state that disagreed would leave, thinking they would be better off, and almost always being wrong about it.



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Duzz
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


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And also a question about people saying that states would never survive without federal money: wouldn't they just be able to create their own currency and value it rationally? It's not like the US dollar is based on anything to begin with.


This question was brought up during 1860 and the answer was a resounding no.






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el duderino III
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


are you saying they would not be able to? because the CSA's currency failed miserably? because if so, that's a pretty terribly flawed argument.





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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


One nation, indivisible.





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ShortyRob
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re: So do states have the right to secede peacefully or not?


I really fail to see how the civil war changed anything unless you really think that if a state seceeded today, the federal govt would invade that state in a manner similar to what Lincoln did.

I personally find that unlikely.

I consider the odds of states breaking off at some point in the next 100 years to be very near a certainty and I think it will be multiple break offs for varying reasons.






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mmcgrath
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then created a new government better suited towards the people.


And that would be... ?






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