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bobbyray21 
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:49 pm to TigerintheNO)
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Do you even know what that means?
I do.
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TigerintheNO 
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:52 pm to bobbyray21)
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Do you even know what that means?
I do
Then why would you posted it?
Despite its derogatory nickname, most of the group were top-ten heavyweights and only gained the nickname due to the ease inwhich Louis dispatched them. Five were rated by The Ring as top-ten heavyweights in the year they fought Louis: Galento (overall #2 heavyweight in 1939), Bob Pastor (#3, 1939), Godoy (#3, 1940), Simon (#6, 1941) and Baer (#8, 1941); four others (Musto, Dorazio, Burman and Johnny Paycheck) were ranked in the top ten in a different year. John Henry Lewis was the Light HW Champ at the time and attempted to move up.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:55 pm to TigerintheNO)
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Then why would you posted it?
Despite its derogatory nickname, most of the group were top-ten heavyweights and only gained the nickname due to the ease inwhich Louis dispatched them. Five were rated by The Ring as top-ten heavyweights in the year they fought Louis: Galento (overall #2 heavyweight in 1939), Bob Pastor (#3, 1939), Godoy (#3, 1940), Simon (#6, 1941) and Baer (#8, 1941); four others (Musto, Dorazio, Burman and Johnny Paycheck) were ranked in the top ten in a different year. John Henry Lewis was the Light HW Champ at the time and attempted to move up.
Are any of those guys considered to be even mediocre heavyweights historically? Would they appear on, say, a top 150 heavyweights ever list? Top 200?
No.
No.
No.
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alajones
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:06 pm to RandySavage)
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Except for Buster Douglas?
There's a reason why it is considered the greatest upset of all time. The U.S. beating the Russians in 1980 doesn't mean the Russians weren't awesome.
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TigerintheNO
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:06 pm to bobbyray21)
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Are any of those guys considered to be even mediocre heavyweights historically? Would they appear on, say, a top 150 heavyweights ever list? Top 200?
No.
No.
No
Now you are telling me that you have never heard of Max Baer? That explains a lot.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:20 pm to TigerintheNO)
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Now you are telling me that you have never heard of Max Baer? That explains a lot.
Buddy Baer != Max Baer, dumbass. They're fricking brothers. Jesus Christ.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:40 pm to TigerintheNO)
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TigerintheNO
Come on, now. You ain't gonna disappear on me, are you?
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SouljaBreauxTellEm
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:41 pm to bobbyray21)
I still don't think Frazier has anywhere near the raw talent of Tyson.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:51 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm)
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I still don't think Frazier has anywhere near the raw talent of Tyson.
He definitely didn't. Tyson was way more agile. Nobody moved forward with the speed that Tyson did.
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ROUSTER
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:38 am to bobbyray21)
Tyson COULD have been great. We'll never truly know how great. I think a prime Tyson with his Cus crew would have beaten Lewis, Holyfield and any other Heavyweight of that time. Sadly, that version of Tyson died at a very early age.
Frazier didn't have close to the talent. But he had more resolve and better mental makeup. But, I think Tyson would have KO'd Joe when Tyson was in his prime.
Foreman would have given Tyson fits with his size and brute strength.
Ali would have given Tyson fits and broken him down mentally provided Tyson didn't catch him. But, I think there would have been a good chance that Tyson would have caught him at some point.
One thing to remember about boxing, especially pre-70's. It was run by the mob.
One thing I'll say. IMO, the GOAT boxer was Sugar Ray Robinson.
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:49 am to Sterling Archer)
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:59 am to BarbeTiger)
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Tyson has to be top 3
No, he really doesn't.
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:27 am to brgfather129)
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Tyson has to be top 3 ....... No, he really doesn't.
I agree here. When I think of great boxers, I think of those great rivalry fights that define a guy's career. For Tyson, those are Holyfield, which were unfortunately for him, were after prison. And those well, didn't turn out well. I mean short of shooting fireworks out of his ass, Tyson was the most exciting heavyweight, and there wasn't much you can say he could have done to improve that, short of fireworks. But top 3? Comeon man, maybe top 3 in boxing games, all time.
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Marciano1
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:25 pm to bojabu)
Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time, imo. There was a great documentary that HBO aired on him a couple of years ago. Highly recommended 
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:28 pm to Sterling Archer)
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by Lennox Lewis and Foreman.
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bobbyray21
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:32 pm to Marciano1)
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Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time, imo
You're that guy that thinks the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, aren't you?
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bomber77 
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:36 pm to Fat Bastard)
I haven't read this thread but anyone who mentions Tyson, well, that's just funny. He never beat anyone. When ever he ran into a decent fighter or went past 3-4 rounds he got his arse kicked. I don't wont to hear excuses why it all happened.
The fact is tht he's probably not in th top 10.
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Marciano1
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:38 pm to bobbyray21)
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You're that guy that thinks the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, aren't you?
Yes....and you're that guy who always hates on me for saying it yet started a thread of your own asking for advice on good Beatles music, aren't you??????
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:00 pm to Marciano1)
Ali early in his career when he was known as Cassius Clay was amazing. I'd put Ali at the top of the list as the greatest heavyweights I've seen.
I've seen a lot of Marciano's & Lewis' fights on film and I would rate them #2 & #3.
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WHATDOINO
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| re: Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers (Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:06 pm to COTiger)
My opinion is George Foreman is the GOAT. The reasons for picking one or the other can be argued for months.
I go off one thing when I get in these debates, WHO would I bet on to win prime VS prime and what the outcome would be.
In that sense Foreman is my pick. The guy was a machine when healthy and in his prime and imo would destroy 95% of all heavyweights that stepped in the ring with him in their prime.
Now he had off nights here and there but many stories have come from a lot of them.
He is also a class act and a super nice guy in real life.
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