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mograyback
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Music legends/American Idol/Politicians


Climb on board the grayback express and travel through my mind. (Can't wait for this sentence to get quote sniped).

Imagine guys like David Gilmour, Rodger Waters, Hank Williams, Woody Guthrie, Townes Van Zandt, Levon Helm, and all those cool old bluesmen.

Or in modern times guys like John McCauley, Jim James, Justin Townes Earle, Kurt Cobain, Scott Avett ect ect signing up to do a show like American Idol. They would never bring themselves to do such nonsense.

These types of souls would never sign up for some phony television show, stand in line for hours with a bunch of other losers, stick a number on their chest and go sing in front of plastic judges. They'd be living their lives which in turn influenced their music in a genuine way.

These people are the real deal, by their nature they would never do 'gay shit' like American Idol. This nature allows them to be great at what they do, and it's why American Idol winners produce plastic nonsense that is unpopular.

I see a few parallels with our politics. One being; the real true leaders of our country would never put themselves through all the nonsense to become a career politician. The great men of this country are unknown to us because by their nature they would not be a politician. Just like by John McCauleys nature, he would never sign up for American Idol. Yet John McCauley has arguably contributed more to rock in the last 3-4 years than anyone, and Rolling Stone believes he is one of the only true rock n roll souls left on this earth.

Another parallel I see is illusion of choice (which isn't really a separate parallel, but one that ties into the last one). Not only does our political system repel the truly great men, just like Idol repels musicians with a certain nature. It puts a certain few on a pedestal and pumps them up as the next big thing and we vote. We're voting on people thinking we're choosing between great ability, but the real talent was filtered out of the equation by the game itself.

I've got a game of my own tonight (not coaching). Won't be hear long to fight back against my many e-nemeses.











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baybeefeetz
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Who the frick is John Macauley?

You're welcome, everybody.






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mograyback
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Who the frick is John Macauley?

You're welcome, everybody.


It doesn't really matter who John McCauley is.. that name could be interchanged with a popular rocker that mainstream knows.. it doesn't change the point made in the post.

But to answer your question, John McCauley has made music with 3 bands over the last few years. He's a giant in the real music scene. Rolling Stone recognizes him as one of the last of a dying breed.






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CollegeFBRules
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Sure your post probably has merit if for no other reason than it has sheer force of numbers on its side. But it's impossible to prove and therefore a pointless exercise.


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mograyback
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Sure your post probably has merit if for no other reason than it has sheer force of numbers on its side. But it's impossible to prove and therefore a pointless exercise.


Real genuine musicians would never do American Idol.

Real genuinely great men/leaders would never want to be politicians.

We put a few men on a pedestal when we vote for a president.

We put a few people on a pedestal when we vote for American Idol.

In both cases the true talent didn't even sign up to be in the game.

That's the point.









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Real genuinely great men/leaders would never want to be politicians.



Cicero



ETA: Have you ever been right on anything?



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Won't be hear long






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CollegeFBRules
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I get the point. Your point is an opinion. Your point cannot be proven. Congratulations on having an opinion that you feel is enlightened.



Have a great day!






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mograyback
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I get the point. Your point is an opinion. Your point cannot be proven. Congratulations on having an opinion that you feel is enlightened.


Maybe I'll try to find a link with a graph or pie chart proving my point.






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TN Bhoy
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Maybe I'll try to find a link with a graph or pie chart proving my point.



Cicero.


Your point has been proven false.






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mograyback
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Your point has been proven false.


Really?

So it was proven that the truly great musicians sign up for American Idol?

It was proven that truly great men sign up to be career politicians?







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TN Bhoy
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It was proven that truly great men sign up to be career politicians?



Yes. Cicero.

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So it was proven that the truly great musicians sign up for American Idol?



Yes, because all great musicians had to get their "break" somewhere. Whether that was outside of a brothel or a reality show makes no difference.



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CollegeFBRules
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Maybe I'll try to find a link with a graph or pie chart proving my point.


I'd like to see a link to the study that was conducted that has you so thoroughly convinced of the accuracy of your opinion on this matter.

I think you're just trying to find another way to tear into the corporate mass production of anything, in this case music, with the American Idol angle. I don't know what you're getting at with the politician angle. They're a reflection of us. Society isn't better than who we elect and what we ask them to do.






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TN Bhoy
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CollegeFBRules



The OP is a wannabe Hipster who hasn't actually read any of the things that he says he has.






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mograyback
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Yes, because all great musicians had to get their "break" somewhere. Whether that was outside of a brothel or a reality show makes no difference.



Haha, what? How often do truly great musicians get their break from reality tv?



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TN Bhoy
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How often do truly great musicians get their break from reality tv?




We don't know as reality tv is a relatively recent phenomenon.







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mograyback
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The OP is a wannabe Hipster who hasn't actually read any of the things that he says he has.


He said, she said.. you only wish you've read half of what I've read.

And I don't like hipsters.






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Mohican
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Real genuine musicians would never do American Idol.

Real genuinely great men/leaders would never want to be politicians.

We put a few men on a pedestal when we vote for a president.

We put a few people on a pedestal when we vote for American Idol.

In both cases the true talent didn't even sign up to be in the game.

That's the point.



I agree wholeheartedly and think it's an excellent comparison.


I took a political class in college and all those kids were pretentious little fricks who were in it to get their picture taken with the governor. Seriously, nobody gives a shite that you went to the victory party. You and every other POS looking for an in and a shortcut were there. It's all a joke.

You might can tell I've got some personal experience with these types of people. I heavily resent them. They end up running the local campaign (putting out signs) and are thus big time. From there they arse kiss their way into $75,000 a year governor appointed positions. They have important people's numbers on speed dial. They are now better than you. Rinse, wash, repeat.

They know just enough about politics to be dangerous, and got in it for the victory parties. Not because they genuinely want to see change.

Much like those musicians would resent the idol winner, I guess. I know too many of them. But you're absolutely right.



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mograyback
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We don't know as reality tv is a relatively recent phenomenon.


I shouldn't have bitten on your comment, I should have just said you didn't understand the point of the original post. Instead I said something, my mistake.






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TN Bhoy
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He said, she said.



Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov is completely antithetical to Walden.


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you only wish you've read half of what I've read.




I guarantee you that my library dwarfs yours by at least a magnitude of 10. Don't attack people without knowing anything about them.

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And I don't like hipsters.


You are one, or at least you think you are one.



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