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Paluka 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:59 pm to League Champs)
What difference does it make?
Do we know what the external influences are from person to person? Nope!
Some sociobiologists have stated that having gay relatives actually is a good thing evolutionarily because they help take care of the offspring of their relatives ensuring survival of the genetic material.
Bottom line is that this study does not show much more than any other study. Therefore, it makes no difference at all at this point.
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cwill 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:09 pm to Patrick_Bateman)
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To anyone with an understanding of science and genetics, this seems obvious. If homosexuality were genetic in nature, it would no longer be in existence, on account of the genes not being passed on from one generation to the next. It is a choice, always has been.
This is exactly what I was talking about...an idiot reading the the OP title, not the article and jumping to the conclusion that it's a choice...read the article, it's not a choice.
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cwill
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:17 pm to League Champs)
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and gay would eventually evolve itself out if it was passed due only to genetics.
This is a bogus assumption in my view...there is nothing about being gay that prevents reproduction...gays appear to want to experience parenthood as much as straight people and have taken steps throughout history to procreate...I think the driving force to procreate can and has overridden sexual preference throughout history.
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HempHead 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:19 pm to League Champs)
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So you can choose to remain gay, because your ancestor somehow modified that default gene; or you can choose to modify that epigenetic factor.
What factor is that?
If that factor is currently unknowable, where does choice come into play?
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OleWar
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:24 pm to League Champs)
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This study means being gay is a choice. The epigenetic trait is passed on, but external modification can effect your behavior
Assuming the theory of the article is correct
External modifications need not be post-utero, and in fact could and probably would occur in-utero.
But it would be fun to guess what things parents should avoid doing or be exposed to in order to prevent homosexuality in their children and the wider societal implications. Some posibilites off the top of my head-- exposure to high level of carbon emissions, large families, use of deodorant....
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:25 pm to cwill)
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it's not a choice.
It doesnt say that. It clearly says it is not genetic.
Here is the original press release
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Epigenetics – how gene expression is regulated by temporary switches, called epi-marks – appears to be a critical and overlooked factor contributing to the long-standing puzzle of why homosexuality occurs.
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Previous studies have shown that homosexuality runs in families, leading most researchers to presume a genetic underpinning of sexual preference. However, no major gene for homosexuality has been found despite numerous studies searching for a genetic connection.
It appears that acting upon the "temporary" marker can result in being gay, but it doesnt answer why there are so many identical twins that have differing sex preferences.
It alludes to external modifcations that create the temporary markers. CHOICES made by parents which do not get erased (as is the norm), and then passed on to children who may, or may not act upon them (see identical twins example)
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Broketec
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:31 pm to League Champs)
Does the idea of gay people choosing to be gay offend you? Or just gay people in general...
Why does what a gay person does, and the reasons why they do it, drive you to such lengths to want to prove everyone on a message board that you are right about your interperitation of the latest homosexual medical findings?
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:36 pm to Broketec)
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Does the idea of being scientifically accurate or choosing to correct inaccurate information offend you? Or just correctness in general...
Why does being accurate, and the reasons why they do it, drive you to such lengths to want to prove everyone on a message board that you are right about your feelings toward scientific study?
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Broketec
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:37 pm to League Champs)
Way to dodge the question.
Its a serious question. Why does it even matter to you in the first place why gay people do what they do? It has no bearing on your life at all. Unless youre gay. And even if you were gay, why you were gay probably wouldn't matter to you if you were happy.
I get the feeling you are not a happy person.
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Powerman
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:38 pm to League Champs)
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Something that essentially can be controlled if one chooses to.
So presumably you often have urges to sleep with people of the same gender but you just don't do it?
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:40 pm to Broketec)
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I get the feeling you are not a happy person.
Once again, you're wrong
I get the feeling you hate conservatives, religion, etc.
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DawgfaninCa 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:41 pm to League Champs)
This post was edited on 12/12 at 2:42 pm
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Powerman
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:41 pm to cwill)
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Did you read the article? It's not saying that gays aren't born that way, it's that the gayness isn't occurring on the DNA level but on the expression of the gene - it's a heritable trait - not a social condition. Changes nothing, does not validate the gay-away work of Michelle Bachman's gay husband.
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Cs
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:42 pm to League Champs)
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It doesnt say that. It clearly says it is not genetic.
It says epigenetics "underlies" homosexuality, not genetics.
Epigenetics simply refers to alterations in gene expression due to factors other than direct modification of the nucleotide sequence.
Genetics is playing a significant role - what do you think controls those "epimarkers"?
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Broketec
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:45 pm to League Champs)
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League Champs
Answer the question.
Youre spending large amounts of energy trying to tell people to think like you because you believe you are correct in your understanding and that they are misunderstanding things.
Answer a simple question.
Why does it matter to you?
And yes, I hate religion. i think its the source of all evil.
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Powerman
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:45 pm to League Champs)
So I read the article and since I'm not the dumbest person who ever lived, I didn't conclude that the point of that article was that "gays aren't born that way"
If anything it seems like it said that yes, they are born that way, but it's not due to a genetic trait.
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kywildcatfanone 
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:46 pm to League Champs)
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So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA
Most people know this already....
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League Champs
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:46 pm to Powerman)
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So presumably you often have urges to sleep with people of the same gender but you just don't do it?
I am assuming that the study alludes to external factors that the parents passed on, then possibly reinforced in their child.
Say, enrolling the son in ballet class or the daughter in powerlifting. Sure they were born with the temporary marker, but external factors now seem to be more of a major contributor than the actual DNA. But like they said, its a theory. A lot of work yet to be done
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mmcgrath
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:46 pm to League Champs)
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Can the honey bee's offspring traits be controlled by feeding?
Can a larvae develop into a different kind of bee depending on what they eat when the are larvae? Yes. Can they switch at any time after the larval stage, no. Is it even that simple for all other traits affected by epigenetics? No. 
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League Champs
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Bayou Self
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| re: So it turns out being gay is not in the DNA (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:49 pm to Broketec)
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Why does it matter to you?
Whats the point of a message board, if one cannot bring current topics?
I get it, you're gay.
And now you're angry
Let it go
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