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ocelot4ark
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re: Ignorant UK Campus Cops caught on video violating civil rights


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you are one stupid motherfricker.


Grow up. Weren't you the one lecturing everyone on this very thing 1 or 2 days ago? And here you are calling someone names. Tisk, tisk.

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First of all, the first red flag for anyone who is even remotely interested in fairness is that that kid set up a video camera right before the police showed up.


Just like a cop/security guard. Can't do your job well, so you immediately get defensive if someone wants to protect themselves against false testimony by recording the incident. As long as it's a single party consent state, that kid was entirely in his rights to record those cops. You claim to love freedom...but you sure as frick seem to hate it.

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Second of all, school policy is that a room may be entered . The kid first attempted to block entry.


Pretty sure it can only be entered by a school administrator in their job to ensure that the health and welfare of all students is ensured. I think he'd be SOL if a RA was the one doing the search. But these were cops.

School policy shouldn't supersede the 4th amendment, IMO. There's an expectation of privacy in your private living quarters. Otherwise, the campus PD could enter anyone's quarters at any time they wanted. It's not an honest policy to say to a high school kid, "Hey, sign this document to live in dorm housing, or else you can't come here" - as most schools require freshmen to live on campus. They're effectively forcing these kids to abandon their 4th amendment rights.

"Hey hot, young co-ed. I'm here to search your room. Sorry you're naked, but the 4th amendment doesn't apply so I can do whatev."

Also, he never consented that they enter his room in the first place.

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Fourth, it amazes me that you always have a problem with the cops but never with the way these little a-holes treat the cops. That tells everyone here exactly what your agenda is you pitiful excuse for a man



The kid was absolutely being a douche. That doesn't give the cops the rights to be douches, too. Cops should be an example. We're expected to "let cooler heads prevail" when confronted by a-holes. Cops should have that same expectation from society.






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CarRamrod
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re: Ignorant UK Campus Cops caught on video violating civil rights


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The cop was wrong and he'll be punished.

HarryBalzack proved you wrong.

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Why do so many cops think that they should be able to force people to respect them?

why are you asking me? Just like every profession, there are bad apples.






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CarRamrod
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re: Ignorant UK Campus Cops caught on video violating civil rights


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Pretty sure it can only be entered by a school administrator
i love how you make your point on the basis of "Pretty Sure"

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The kid was absolutely being a douche. That doesn't give the cops the rights to be douches, too.
Of course it does. Does in entitle them to break the law no. But the verdict is still out on what was broken. From this thread the evidence i have seen was they were in the right to enter his room.



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Loubacca
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The cops were wrong, the kids a douche. He should also get his arse kicked for wearing a flat bill hat backwards.

I'm with the guy who said this will follow him around his whole life. Who the frick would want to hire someone like this?






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ocelot4ark
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re: Ignorant UK Campus Cops caught on video violating civil rights


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Looks like the cops are good to go on points 1 & 4, so the kid's the one in the wrong.


Haha - they were providing routine maintenance?

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When there is reason to believe that a violation of university policy is taking place in the room and occupants in the room do not open the door when requested to do so.


What gives them "reason to believe that a violation of university policy is taking place?" How do they define that? One guy says he saw you bring a bottle of scotch into your room and 10 minutes later you're having to deal with the cops going through all of your shit?






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BTHog
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Just like a cop/security guard. Can't do your job well, so you immediately get defensive if someone wants to protect themselves against false testimony by recording the incident. As long as it's a single party consent state, that kid was entirely in his rights to record those cops. You claim to love freedom...but you sure as frick seem to hate it.


I didn't say he didn't have a right to do so, I said it throws up a red flag. Looks like he had the entire thing planned out, IE he did what the cops thought he did.

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Pretty sure it can only be entered by a school administrator in their job to ensure that the health and welfare of all students is ensured. I think he'd be SOL if a RA was the one doing the search. But these were cops.


Looks to me like the policy says school officials. Hilarious that you think an RA is more qualified as a school official than a campus police officer is.

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School policy shouldn't supersede the 4th amendment, IMO. There's an expectation of privacy in your private living quarters. Otherwise, the campus PD could enter anyone's quarters at any time they wanted. It's not an honest policy to say to a high school kid, "Hey, sign this document to live in dorm housing, or else you can't come here" - as most schools require freshmen to live on campus. They're effectively forcing these kids to abandon their 4th amendment rights.



Who cares what your opinion is when it is wrong. You can absolutely surrender certain protections via a contract with a government agent. If this weren't true every person who's ever served in the military would have a complaint against the government for violating their constitutional rights.

If you sign a contract with the school saying that "I agree that school officials can enter my room at any time" then that means just that. You don't get to later cry foul if they actually do so.

And no one FORCED them to do anything, they are free to not attend a state college.

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The kid was absolutely being a douche. That doesn't give the cops the rights to be douches, too. Cops should be an example. We're expected to "let cooler heads prevail" when confronted by a-holes. Cops should have that same expectation from society.


I agree that cops should have the cooler head in most situations, and most of the time they do, my problem with CpTBengal is he NEVER EVER condemns the behavior of anyone BUT the cops.

Seriously, NO ONE should be treated like that and just be expected to take it, and the attitude that cops should is why so many treat them that way.







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gatorhata9
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Who the frick would want to hire someone like this?




No one. Shit, who would want to even associate with someone like this?






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uway
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why are you asking me? Just like every profession, there are bad apples.


I hope next time I encounter a cop it's one of the good apples. Needle in a haystack based on my admittedly limited experience.

Also I'm asking you b/c I believe you are a cop. This widespread perception about cops as bullies can't be good for you.






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Displaced
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I hope next time I encounter a cop it's one of the good apples


how is this different than any other profession?

doctor, lawyer, mechanic, accountant, bus driver...

do you feel the same way about these professions as you do about police?






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BTHog
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I hope next time I encounter a cop it's one of the good apples. Needle in a haystack based on my admittedly limited experience.


You must know this isn't true. Literally hundreds of thousands of cops and you think most of them are bad?

I've said this a million times, humans are a-holes, cops are humans ergo cops will be a-holes.

Amazing though that 99% of the time a-holes encounter a-hole cops and good people encounter good cops. Most of the people who claim to be in that 1% simply aren't being honest about their part in whatever situation happened. You know that, I know that, we all know that.







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Enfuego
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that was great





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DanTiger
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re: Ignorant UK Campus Cops caught on video violating civil rights


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how is this different than any other profession?

doctor, lawyer, mechanic, accountant, bus driver...


Do doctors or police kill more people?






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ocelot4ark
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i love how you make your point on the basis of "Pretty Sure"


Sorry for not being familiar with UK policies? They said themselves in the video that they were acting as administrators, which of course is bull shite. The kid made a great point about that.

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Of course it does.


This is just further evidence that the profession attracts the lowest common denominator. Cops should be the example for society. Not the dumbfrick reactionaries we see nowadays. Someone's being a dick to you and the best response is to turn around and be a dick, too? Do they not teach cops how to avoid escalating a situation? Kill them with kindness. An ounce of honey goes further than a gallon of vinegar. Etc, etc.

If a cop were to be sitting in a bar watching 2 patrons. Patron 1 says something dickish. Patron 2 says something equally dickish. They both end up being dicks to each other until the cop has to get involved to prevent the situation from escalating. Yet, if Patron 2 was the COP, it's perfectly fine - in your eyes - for him to be a dick?

And this isn't even something I'd restrict to cops. EVERYONE should avoid confrontation and turn the other cheek, but especially cops.

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Does in entitle them to break the law no. But the verdict is still out on what was broken. From this thread the evidence i have seen was they were in the right to enter his room.


There's no evidence to support them entering the room in this thread. Not one. They can only do such if there's reason to believe a violation of university policy is taking place. Where did you see such evidence?






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ocelot4ark
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Amazing though that 99% of the time a-holes encounter a-hole cops and good people encounter good cops. Most of the people who claim to be in that 1% simply aren't being honest about their part in whatever situation happened. You know that, I know that, we all know that.


And, of course, the 99% of those "good cops" never treat actual GOOD people like shite. Nope. Never happens. We're all just out to shite on cops.






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CoolHand
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I'm with the guy who said this will follow him around his whole life. Who the frick would want to hire someone like this?

What exactly is he trying to accomplish by doing this?






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Displaced
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Do doctors or police kill more people?


i don't have facts, but i would guess doctors.







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DanTiger
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i don't have facts, but i would guess doctors.


Yet there are almost no threads on this site attacking them. I guess attacking cops is just the "cool" thing to do.






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HarryBalzack
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Haha - they were providing routine maintenance?


Fixed it, meant to say 2 & 4.

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What gives them "reason to believe that a violation of university policy is taking place?"


Don't know. The linked article doesn't say why they suspected him of doing that. Pretty clear, given what's presented in the article, that the cops were out of line when searching the refrigerator, but since nothing came of it, I imagine a written warning and review of procedures will suffice. Worth nothing that there's likely more to the story than what we've heard, and since the kid set up the camera, no doubt this isn't his first brush with police.

As for the threat to expel, that's pretty standard at any university. Students have to comply with the rules, but they will be given a hearing before the appropriate governing board before being formally dismissed.






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CarRamrod
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Why do you think im a cop?





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BTHog
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Sorry for not being familiar with UK policies? They said themselves in the video that they were acting as administrators, which of course is bull shite. The kid made a great point about that.


Campus police ARE part of the school's administrative department , sorry you don't get that.

Talk about the lowest common denominator LOL. You don't kill a suspect with kindness, that's just stupid and a good way to end up with more escelation. Cops are trained to end situations as quickly as possible, MOST of the time a good cop can control a situation verbally, then if that doesn't work you escalate to physically.

Kill them with kindness
sorry bruh but that is just stupid of and proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

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And this isn't even something I'd restrict to cops. EVERYONE should avoid confrontation and turn the other cheek, but especially cops.


God damn dude come on. Are you seriously suggesting that if cops come across a suspect that's being a dick, they should just walk away?



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There's no evidence to support them entering the room in this thread. Not one. They can only do such if there's reason to believe a violation of university policy is taking place. Where did you see such evidence?


For some reason, and it wasn't clear why, they believe that booze was poured out his dorm room window. Clearly that is cause for cops to check things out.







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