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HempHead 
Alabama Fan
Appalachia
Member since Mar 2011
10149 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:39 am to catholictigerfan)
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would you be for anarchy?
Sure.
I see no reason for the state.
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TrueTiger 
LSU Fan
Republic of West Florida
Member since Sep 2004
3186 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:47 am to bamafan1001)
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Valid question. I say look at the intent of the founders of this country and the Constitution. They believed in a limited government. This government would cover essentials like military expenditure roads, bridges. When you start taking money away from people to give to others, that's when it becomes theft. Everyone can use a road, not everyone can use a welfare check
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
I don't mind taxes for roads, bridges, sewers, armies, navies, parks. That stuff all benefits the public at large. We all get to use the road, the army and navy are there to protect all of us, we can all use the parks, etc., etc.
You start to lose me when you take from one individual and hand it over for the exclusive benefit of another individual.
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HempHead
Alabama Fan
Appalachia
Member since Mar 2011
10149 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:48 am to TrueTiger)
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That stuff all benefits the public at large.
Is there any particular reason that these services must be a monopoly provided by a government?
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Blue Velvet 
Colorado State Fan
Venice, LA
Member since Nov 2009
12739 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:56 am to TrueTiger)
So theft is okay?
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That stuff all benefits the public at large
Debatable.
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WikiTiger
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
38631 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:00 am to TrueTiger)
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I don't mind taxes for roads, bridges, sewers, armies, navies, parks. That stuff all benefits the public at large.
But I do mind.
Why do you feel justified in taxation for those purposes?
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You start to lose me when you take from one individual and hand it over for the exclusive benefit of another individual.
But what if the people that do support that feel it "all benefits the public at large"?
In other words, you are ok with some taxation for things that you approve of, but are against it for others. The problem is that you have no philosophical consistency guiding you. What makes your pet projects better than someone else's pet projects?
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cwill 
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jan 2005
19221 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:09 am to pistolpete23)
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To quote an old kite flyer "when the people learn to vote themselves money will mark the end of the republic"
There is no evidence Ben Franklin ever uttered those or similar words.
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TrueTiger
LSU Fan
Republic of West Florida
Member since Sep 2004
3186 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:11 am to WikiTiger)
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you are ok with some taxation for things that you approve of
Not necessarily approve, tolerate is more accurate. I admit that some form of limited government (like fire) is beneficial. The thing is, if you let it get out of hand, it will burn your shite to the ground. The arguments about where to draw the line are endless. What make sense to me might not to you, and vice versa. No two people are exactly alike, especially their opinions. No doubt our system of government is flawed, but I still haven't seen anything out there I like better.
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Blue Velvet
Colorado State Fan
Venice, LA
Member since Nov 2009
12739 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:21 am to TrueTiger)
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Not necessarily approve, tolerate is more accurate.
You tolerate theft from your neighbor.quote:
(like fire) is beneficial
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The arguments about where to draw the line are endless
So let's not draw a compromising line. Theft is never okay. quote:
What make sense to me might not to you, and vice versa. No two people are exactly alike, especially their opinions.
Exactly. Unlike you I do no think theft is a suitable foundation for a way of life.
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Gmorgan4982
LSU Fan
Hattiesburg, Miss.
Member since May 2005
90574 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:27 am to tossedoff)
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Have we become a "theft" society?
Become? People have been voting for a long time.
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Gmorgan4982
LSU Fan
Hattiesburg, Miss.
Member since May 2005
90574 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:28 am to Blue Velvet)
BV's back. 
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Gmorgan4982
LSU Fan
Hattiesburg, Miss.
Member since May 2005
90574 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:30 am to bamafan1001)
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I say look at the intent of the founders of this country and the Constitution. They believed in a limited theft.
FIFY
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Blue Velvet
Colorado State Fan
Venice, LA
Member since Nov 2009
12739 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:30 am to Gmorgan4982)
Thanks for the support brother 
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WikiTiger
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
38631 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:31 am to Blue Velvet)
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Thanks for the support brother
Yea, glad to see you back.
We need more AnCaps here so that we can jerk each other off in threads.
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pistolpete23
LSU Fan
In the present
Member since Dec 2007
3111 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:33 am to cwill)
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There is no evidence Ben Franklin ever uttered those or similar words.
There's no evidence he didn't either is there?
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HempHead
Alabama Fan
Appalachia
Member since Mar 2011
10149 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:35 am to WikiTiger)
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We need more AnCaps here so that we can jerk each other off in threads.
It's like r/circlejerk in here. 
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Zach
LSU Fan
Member since May 2005
55842 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:36 am to pistolpete23)
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There's no evidence he didn't either is there?
You guys are all wrong on the source of the quote. But I can't look it up right now. It was before Franklin.
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HempHead
Alabama Fan
Appalachia
Member since Mar 2011
10149 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:36 am to pistolpete23)
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There's no evidence he didn't either is there?
Well, without any evidence to affirm the positive....
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Zach
LSU Fan
Member since May 2005
55842 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:38 am to HempHead)
I'm going with Alexander Tytler.
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Gmorgan4982
LSU Fan
Hattiesburg, Miss.
Member since May 2005
90574 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:45 am to WikiTiger)
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We need more AnCaps here so that we can jerk each other off in threads.
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TrueTiger
LSU Fan
Republic of West Florida
Member since Sep 2004
3186 posts
| re: Have we become a "theft" society? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:48 am to Blue Velvet)
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Unlike you I do no think theft is a suitable foundation for a way of life.
This is a hasty generalization.
What foundations do you find suitable? Anarchy? Law of the jungle?
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