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corndeaux
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Nice write up from SI on the game. Sounds like he sees what we see in terms of lack of talent

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 The halftime break offered the Lakers an opportunity to gather themselves and reinforce their specific goals for the game. Among those goals was the victimization of the hapless Hornets; not all that many of New Orleans’ players are confident ball-handlers or passers, making the entire team very vulnerable to swarms of pressure from unexpected directions. Bryant (who logged three steals for the evening, and thrived in transition en route to 29 points) was particularly effective in attacking Hornets players from their blind side, sometimes streaking all the way across the court in his attempts to swipe the ball away. Against most opponents, that kind of gamble would result in the Lakers getting burned with a quick pass-out and an open shot. But on this occasion, players like Austin Rivers and Roger Mason Jr. — who were already pressured by their own defenders — struggled to identify Bryant’s gambit before it was too late.Ultimately, it was the ripple effects of that heavy pressure that doomed the Hornets’ offense. New Orleans’ turnover numbers (12 TOs overall, which on a per-possession basis is actually better than their season average) weren’t at all damning, but their play progression was regularly derailed by the Lakers flocking as a team toward the ball. On a given possession, a Metta World Peace tip, the ensuing bobble, and Dwight Howard hedge later, and the shot clock had already begun to close in on the Hornets from behind — forcing them into rushed execution and difficult attempts. New Orleans handled that pressure well in spots, but simply failed to do so consistently against an opponent committed to disrupting their passes and dribbles with active hands.


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New Orleans has been surprisingly decent on offense this year, and their scoring output on a per-possession basis registered as the 13th best mark in the league coming into this game. But their personnel only allows for a fairly simple approach, particularly with Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon out of the lineup. Hornets head coach Monty Williams has his team running their pet play actions well, but executing simple sets reliably shouldn’t soon be confused with resilient offense. At the moment, the Hornets’ arsenal is dependable — it just isn’t particularly adaptable. Such is inevitable when the entire machine hinges on Greivis Vasquez, who put together a solid 16 points, nine assists, and five rebounds but can’t well carry the creative load of an entire team when the Lakers are coming at him in waves.



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eyeran
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Pretty much nailed it which is shocking for a reporter outside of New Orleans to know more about the Hornets than, "Stern vetoed that trade."





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Jester
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Such is inevitable when the entire machine hinges on Greivis Vasquez, who put together a solid 16 points, nine assists, and five rebounds but can’t well carry the creative load of an entire team when the Lakers are coming at him in waves.






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NemesisKING
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I blame Monty for not cutting Brian Roberts and Lance Thomas. I blame Monty for trying to WIN games with Greivis Vasquez and Roger Mason as your starters instead of going full on development mode.

If you're going to try and wing, at least bring in some talent if not experience to help with that effort.






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corndeaux
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16 points on 19 shots, nine assists with 4 TOs in a 20 point loss 


FIFY

I like Vasquez. He's a solid NBA player. However his talent and skill set makes him best suited for a backup role.

He's a pg who can't break his defender down without a screen, he can't shoot (off the dribble or spot up- he fits as well as Rivers does when Gordon comes back to run PnR..just another guy defenses can ignore off ball), he doesn't get to the line, and he turns the ball over too much given what he creates. Not to mention he is a turnstile on defense.

There nothing wrong with him being best suited as a backup. He can be very useful. I'm not sure why you are crusading to legitimize him as a championship caliber pg.

I know you made your list, but here's the problem: Vasquez is a traditional point in the table setter mold. His best skill is finding the open man. Almost all of the guys on your list were mediocre starting pgs, but they weren't table setters for their team. Aside from Parker and Billups, most were asked to spot up and play defense. The one guy who was a table setter- Rondo- is light years better than Vasquez as a creator and a defender.

You are absolutely right that you don't need an All-Star pg to win a title. You can win with a guy who can hit open shots as a 4th or 5th option and play decent defense. Vasquez hasn't shown he can do either of those things yet.






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Gtothemoney
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I think this is a very legit question.

I remember during the lottery, Monty was being praised as a great coach by a bunch of the "analysts". I'm thinking to myself, great? That's a stretch. Was has he done to be labeled as "great"?

I agree the talent on this team is mediocre at best. But I believe he lacks on making in game adjustments. A "great" coach gets the best out of his players, even the mediocre ones. I just don't see this out of this team.






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N.O. via West-Cal
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I don't feel that we can even begin to put the blame on until we either get (1) a reasaonable sample size of him playing with an actual NBA roster - the current lineup is not - of reasonably healthy players or (2) the team quits.





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Working on getting that worst poster award are we?





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DeionDeion
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Ill start blaming Monty when we have AD and EG in our lineup and we start losing next year

Seriously though this thread is ridiculous, we have the youngest team in league, Monty gets everyone to play hard, players want to play for him

You really want Paul Silas, Tim Floyd, Byron Scott, or Jeff Bower? - look at where we have come I like Monty over all those guys and its not even close

This question is right now as dumb as the guys on Saints talk asking if Drew Brees still an elite QB



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fightingtiger2335
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Lost to a team no business losing to tonite.





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Gtothemoney
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28 point second half. Unbelievables!





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GrandeBeli
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Lost to a team no business losing to tonite.



Held them under 80 points though. Monty's defense






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Too Frat To Care
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5-15 on the year. Wow.





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GrandeBeli
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5-15 on the year. Wow.



Eric "Cornerstone" Gordon would have this team at 15-5






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supe12sta12z
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Eric "Cornerstone" Gordon would have this team at 15-5


10-10 if lucky...






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mm2316
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5-15 on the year. Wow.

We're an extremely young team, with lack of (healthy) talent. What do you expect, especially when a lot of those games Roger Mason and Xaiver Henry or Aminu is in your starting lineup.






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BIGDAB
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No, It's the NBA, all teams adjust. The difference in this league usually boils down to talent, and we don't have much of that.





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Split2874
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Also Monty said that he is working on different combinatations of players and on things they want to work on.

I feel like this season is a just a long preseason. Trying to find out what works, doesnt, who they need to trade etc...

Also we are missing our 2 best players. Take the 2 best players off any team and see how they do.






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GrandeBeli
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10-10 if lucky...


You obviously didn't watch him light up the Clippers games with 20 ppgs then. The guy is the next superstar if he can stay healthy.






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supe12sta12z
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You obviously didn't watch him light up the Clippers games with 20 ppgs then. The guy is the next superstar if he can stay healthy.


James Harden could barely lift Houston to a .500 record with a young team, I highly doubt Gordon would be able to do much better. This isn't the 2011 team where they had a good mix of Vets. This is a young and inexperienced team with a bunch of new pieces.









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