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Ace Midnight 
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:26 pm to TrueTiger)
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Isn't welfare the "protection money" paid out to keep the unwashed horde from rising up, taking stuff that belongs to the rich and then burning them out of their homes? Obama has got this covered for the near term, so write your check, and relax.
That money is going to run out - we can count the years (it's about 6) - if nothing is done, the whole house of cards is going to come down -
once the borrowing is cut off - no SS checks, no military paychecks, no Medicare, no Medicaid, no food stamps, no Section 8, no Pell Grants, no highway money, no federal civilian checks, no military or federal worker pensions - NOTHING. It will be like the Rodney King riots everywhere.
It is not even a question of "If", now, but "How long can we put it off?" The political theater that is going on in these "fiscal cliff" discussions are just the next scene in the story.
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RCDfan1950
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:30 pm to Lookin4Par)
Saw an interview with the 'mind' author the other day. Dude is in DEEEEPPP...scares the BeJesus out of me really. I'm really apprehensive re the fusion of artificial intelligence and the natural version. Not that everything aint 'natural'...just that I am not convinced of the applied wisdom of such a problematic enterprise.
Then again...maybe I could use a boost!
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Oizers
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:37 pm to RCDfan1950)
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Saw an interview with the 'mind' author the other day. Dude is in DEEEEPPP...scares the BeJesus out of me really. I'm really apprehensive re the fusion of artificial intelligence and the natural version. Not that everything aint 'natural'...just that I am not convinced of the applied wisdom of such a problematic enterprise.
Then again...maybe I could use a boost!
Check out the documentary about him, Transcendent Man.
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llfshoals 
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:28 pm to Lookin4Par)
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lease give your insights on if this growing disparity of wealth is a concern to you or not. Why or why not?
Nope.
It's their money.
Where the problem comes from is when people believe they have a greater right to someone's property than the owner.
That people have no right to property ownership is one of the core liberal beliefs.
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ForeLSU
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:31 pm to gatorsimz)
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If somebody truly wants to become wealthy they will.
this sentiment is one of the main reasons the middle isn't worried about the discrepancy....however wrong it may be, many really believe they're going to be wealthy, thus they defend the wealthy
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The 1% can better adjust to economic and political changes
no, they can better control economic and political changes to their advantage. This is the big issue in this country right now, wealth is being created through rigging the game, scheming the system, etc. Corporatism, minority set-asides, rigged bids, etc. I don't mind wild success, but the system will not thrive as long as ill-gotten gains are part of the norm.
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Lookin4Par
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:31 pm to doubleb)
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My problem is not with people making too much money, my problem is with not enough people making money. My problem isn't with people owning big homes, it's with not enough people owning homes
You sound really intelligent. You should understand my concern when labor wages are stagnant while the corporations are breaking records. What happens when labor gets left behind?
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IceTiger 
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:34 pm to Lookin4Par)
jealous?
When the poor have houses, cars and smart phones, they really aren't poor...they're enabled
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gatorsimz 
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:39 pm to ForeLSU)
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no, they can better control economic and political changes to their advantage
The two aren't mutually exclusive
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This is the big issue in this country right now, wealth is being created through rigging the game, scheming the system, etc. Corporatism, minority set-asides, rigged bids, etc.
Sounds like liberal talking points. Sure a small percentage of rich people are corrupt but same can be said for the poor people scheming the system.
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ForeLSU
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:43 pm to Lookin4Par)
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What happens when labor gets left behind?
a well-off middle class built during the industrial age will probably be seen as a blip on the historical radar. Large scale labor isn't required to gather materials, refine, assemble and move goods these days. It's also falling in terms of support, training, maintenance, repair, etc. There was a good thread on this a few days ago...
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Taxing Authority
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Houston
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16722 posts
| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 9:59 pm to Lookin4Par)
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You should understand my concern when labor wages are stagnant while the corporations are breaking records.
What does one have to do with the other?
A corporation is not beholden to distribute profits to it's workers. The employees aren't the ones taking a risk position. The employees don't face the possibility of financial loss should the company not perform. The employees don't face an opportunity cost loss of having their money tied up in corporate CAPEX.
If employees want to hold those positions, they should buy stock and hold the equity position.
Finally, current corporate profits aren't due to fantastic performance or sudden increases of worker efforts. They are due to companies spending almost nil on capital expansion. The workers aren't due anything for that.
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Willie Stroker
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:00 pm to Lookin4Par)
Maybe I should read through the five pages before posting to see where you're coming from, but I think I'll be crashing for the night too soon for that.
By what measure of growing wealth discrepancy are you looking at? Household income?
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:16 pm to Lookin4Par)
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You sound really intelligent. You should understand my concern when labor wages are stagnant while the corporations are breaking records. What happens when labor gets left behind?
Labor is left behind as a consequence of a flagging economy and terrible economic policy. Sets up a supply-and-demand equation unfavorable for labor. If your OP tends toward thoughts of monetary redistribution through tax policy, it's a losing precept. So is concern and focus on wealth discrepancy as opposed to wealth.
The flaw in strict focus on an egalitarian target is any uniform reduction in pay percentage across-the-board reduces the "wealth gap". By focusing on that goal, one would conclude reductions in pay of the poor is a good thing. It isn't!
Proportionate pay increases for everyone should be a great thing. But aren't viewed as such d/t an increase in the wealth gap.
This post was edited on 12/11 at 10:19 pm
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VOR 
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:18 pm to NC_Tigah)
I'm merely checking in to say I'm still here. 
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:24 pm to VOR)
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I'm merely checking in to say I'm still here
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Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy?
Has a lot to do with the state of lawsuits in this country.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:24 pm to Lookin4Par)
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Please give your insights on if this growing disparity of wealth is a concern to you or not. Why or why not?
Doesn't bother me a bit. Poor and middle class are as comfortable as they have ever been.
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jeepfreak
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:07 am to Lookin4Par)
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My question is simple. Is the growing gap in wealth any reason for concern? Those that have it wish to preserve and build it.
My answer is this: Does how much money another person have prevent you from building wealth for yourself?
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At what point do we realize that the tipping point is near?
What "tipping point"?
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Zahrim
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:23 am to jeepfreak)
when the "poor" in this country are living like the common person in the Sudan or Ethiopia, i might have sympathy, till than, they can kiss my skinny white arse until they CHOOSE to do better.
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Jake88 
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:41 am to Lookin4Par)
Unless the country is in rapid decline, how does the disparity not grow over time? The least you could earn in 1933 was $0. The Least you can earn now is $0. The most you could earn in 1933 was probably 10, 20 million. The most you can earn today is billions. There is a floor to income but no ceiling, thankfully.
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ShortyRob
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:56 am to Lookin4Par)
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Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy?
Why would this concern me?
I'm not concerened about the discrepancy in football talent between myself and Patrick peterson
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souldog
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Johnstown, PA
Member since Jul 2007
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| re: Any conservatives concerned with growing wealth discrepancy? (Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:02 am to ShortyRob)
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Why would this concern me?
Ah, you = one vote, poor man = one vote.
Understand?
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